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1  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 09, 2015, 12:17:23 PM
I'll rewrite this when I have time.  Basically my points were:

1.  Googling what happens to sperm if they don't get ejaculated results in the fact that they will die, but that the body reabsorbs them.  I don't see how that is harmful to the body per se.
2.  I'm not sure why the whole not special argument and each sperm having a soul, was that something Mantak stated or am I missing something?
3.  Basically it's the argument of God all other again.  There is neither proof nor can science disprove but somehow science is given the benefit of the doubt.  

Anyways, what I do know is that when I do without ejaculation, my body doesn't need to use the energy it would have to rebuild my sperm and it can use it in other ways as it sees fit.

Your body will make them regardless of what you do. Except for the handful that will make your children, they will all eventually die. I just think it makes little difference if they die inside or outside your body. I mentioned the soul idea just to make the point but it is not too different from the concept that each cell has some special life force or essence.

2  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: My success story, 10 years later on: March 07, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Any recommendations as to which fleshlight to purchase - my erections are generally medium firm

I have several but in the end prefer the plain sleeve without artificial bumps and such. Keep it well lubricated.
Also, I take it out of the case when I use it and support it in some blankets.

But going for so many hours seems like that could be an issue. I do go for an hour or two at most sometimes but going all day seems like an addiction. I recommend picking a time limit and just stopping. If you can have as many orgasms as you want when you want you do not need to have them all day! I keep a watch handy and monitor the time. My limit is about an hour and then I stop though it sometimes takes a little while to stop since the orgasm pleasure state is almost continuous. Also, I wear a heart monitor usually to make sure I do not push things too far.
3  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: 21 Day Challange on: March 07, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
Day 6   Huh

- During the night of day 5 I experiences something bizarre. I was not able to fall asleep, due to the warm sensation and pressure that I felt in my penis. Before going to sleep I watched a short porno, which later proved to be a mistake. I can't exculpate myself as it was obviously wrong of me to see a porno, before going to sleep as it made me horny and gave me this weird sensitization. Fortunately I was able to restrain myself from fapping and ejacualting.
- On day 6 I didn't feel the need to masterbate and I was able to last longer before edging. 

Porn is always a mistake. Basically, it is a lie.
4  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 07, 2015, 12:39:53 PM
Jack Johnson (Key Sound) says "orgasm is bioenergetic, ejaculation is glandular".
Ejaculation takes its toll on men's health, a degeneration which some may notice more than others depending on their current constitution.
The possibility to have orgasm without ejaculation allows the replenishing regeneration of this bioenergy to invigorate us and be more present with available energy to the world around us whereas
repeatedly ejaculating will diminish our available energy.
To stop ejaculation is to prevent the degeneration of health which I found occuring from repeated multiple ejaculations. To accompany this with mmo (without ejaculation) has an invigorating enlivening result.

(The point is that the orgasms can be enjoyed without the reflex triggering PONR and sperm being dumped along with the life-essence that takes the best from our organs each time - since the whole point of sperm is to create new life and each ejaculation is assumed by the body to be propogating the survival of the species).

I realise I've written a lot here and I hope you'll forgive my intrusion as being intended to help. I read Mantak Chia's words about sperm being potent and precious but still didn't stick with his program when the hui-yin point didn't seem to work on my first attempt,  I then decided it was too hard and went on to discover my long abstinence helped me begin to have multiple ejaculations.
I suppose this did lead to my experiencing the truth of his lesson through a long period of not knowing if I would regain my health or not or whether I had already blown it by repeatedly blowing my load.
So I ended up learning through experience what Mantak Chia said about sperm.
I don't want to ejaculate again, my particular constitution fares better that way, but just because some people don't notice the reduced energy, perhaps I am analogous to the canaries that miners used as warnings.

Can anyone point to hard scientific evidence that ejaculation is harmful? I think that myth developed by observation of subjective feelings during an unscientific age and has become orthodoxy in Eastern thought. Anecdotal evidence does not prove it. You have not "blown it" by "blowing your load". Ejaculation is normal healthy activity. I am not arguing that excessive ejaculation will not leave you feeling drained, it will. I am arguing that there is no evidence there is going to be permanent damage to your body or health unless you fall asleep while driving. Yes, you can enjoy MMO's by limiting ejaculation but there is no credible scientific evidence your health is going to be harmed under normal circumstances. If fact, there is evidence to the contrary.

Consider that if you never ejaculate again, millions of sperm will be created, go through a life cycle and die inside your body for the rest of you life. Believing that each one has a "life-essence" is basically claiming each one has its own soul. Science has already created artificial sperm (and eggs) from stem cells. That proves sperm cells are not special.
5  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 06, 2015, 01:35:16 PM
Also, there is another reason to aim for dry orgasm. Ejaculation is leeching the bodies' organs.  The life-force that goes into creating a new life takes the best from our organs (as you'd expect) so this will eventually take its toll. A possible reason that men are more likely to start dying off once into older age compared to women who have ceased their menstrual cycles is the continued practice of ejaculation.  Mantak Chia explains this knowledge has been around (secretly until publishing his books).

Mantak Chia a not a medical expert.  You won't die younger or lose your "life force" by moderate ejaculation. It's fine to choose not to ejaculate in order to enjoy dry orgasms but understand it does not harm your body to ejaculate. That is an ancient myth.
6  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: ultimate male orgasm on: January 13, 2014, 12:35:54 PM
I do not know if this is exactly the same but in my experience with dry orgasms, there is a window where every few seconds is another orgasm, it really gets to be essentially continuous orgasm with slight variations in the pleasure. It is like a wave one can ride as long as one wants but usually I try and calm down for a rest after a few minutes. This morning I tested myself with my new continuous heart pulse monitor.  In the book Any Man Can by Hartman and Fithian, they show heart pulse charts for men having multiple orgasms. They define for their purposes an orgasm as a pulse of around 120 bpm for a resting pulse of 70 bpm. Some charts peak around 120 several times in a minute going back to resting value in between. These they call discreet orgasms. Some orgasms start, peak, have a very slight dip and peak again. Those they call continuous orgasms. All their charts show only a one minute range. I noticed my heart rate would stay near certain peaks (not all the same value but in what I estimated as my orgasmic range) for extended times. In the part of my session I took data which was for about 35 minutes, I was in the target range for about 30 of those minutes. Being somewhat older and having a lower resting rate of about 60 bpm, I estimated my orgasmic range as about 100-110 bpm  but I peaked many times at 120 or higher, around 115 bpm, and 110 bpm and between 100-110 bpm. My 35 minute average was 106 bpm.

Keep in mind that my device may not be that accurate or as responsive as the lab equipment used by Hartman and Fithian in their 1985 book. But I think it might be accurate enough in general for my purposes. Also, I probably need more data on my resting rate and from other extended sessions.

Also, I noticed the correlation between what I felt as an orgasm and what the heart monitor indicated was an orgasm was very high but not 100%. I other words, I felt some great orgasms even when the monitor said my pulse was falling or lower. My device could have a slight delay in response.

BTW, I just picked up a book called The Science of Orgasm by Komisaruk, Beyer-Flores and Whipple.
7  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Newbie Board / Re: newbie starting the journey on: January 13, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
Sounds like progress to me! I bet your wife will really appreciate it even if she is fine with you now.

I recommend the books by Keepitup Johnson and Mantak Chia. 

My only comment on technique is that you might try and keep your erection at stage three instead of stage four (rock hard) since it is easier to control. I believe that you can feel the same pleasure regardless of how hard it is.

Quote From Chia's book;

"In the first stage, your penis starts to move and become erect. In the second stage, it’s firm, but not bard – not really hard enough to penetrate (unless you use the Soft Entry technique). In the third stage, it is erect and hard. In the fourth stage, it is stiff and really hot. This last stage is also when your testicles draw into your body. It is much easier to avoid ejaculating when you can remain in the erect and hard third stage. Pulling the sexual energy up helps keep the penis from getting to the final, stiff and hot stage. Relaxing is also essential, as is trying to be aware of when you move into that anxious, explosive fourth stage when ejaculation is imminent."

If I wake up in the night with a stage four erection I will go to work with it but backing off the stimulation as I get near the PONR which I get to faster at that level of arousal. I try to slow down then and let the erection cool off just slightly for the long haul. In my morning sessions, I usually start with stage two or three and it is not unusual to end my session without ejaculation in or close to stage four.

BTW, I never worry about how hard I am when I start. Even if I start my session basically soft, it seems to get hard enough quick enough and I start having my first orgasms usually within one or at least a few minutes.
8  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Question about Dry Orgasms. on: November 19, 2013, 02:56:54 PM
I have noticed that with my dry orgasms my abdominal muscles contract and expand a lot. Is that the normal experience of others? My penis throbs and pumps also but the movement of the abdominal muscles group is quite noticeable. Of course it may relate to having a bit of a belly....
9  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Newbie Board / Re: Few questions from newbie on: October 21, 2013, 07:44:19 PM
Question 4. I would still practice and do the PC exercises. You may have a good natural start but the book wants you to get it much stronger.
10  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Pseudo-MMOs versus "The Real Thing" on: September 30, 2013, 12:36:14 PM
I would disagree that these are pseudo orgasms at all. Maybe for your friend but certainly not for me. I do let go but just not with semen.  I certainly know what wet orgasms feel like and I know what my dry ones feel like and I can compare  them. I am fully emotionally involved with the pleasure and my dry orgasms are usually stronger that my wet ones. Great if the KMSO system works for you or your friend but I do not think it is the only path to MMO.
11  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Trouble in Paradise on: September 30, 2013, 12:17:35 PM
I healed up in a couple of hours so no big deal. I think I just did not use enough lube for that length of time. I should have added more at a couple of intervals to keep it smooth.
12  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Trouble in Paradise on: September 27, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
Hey, I have been using a toy for training and practice called Sex in a Can by Fleshlight and want to ask about something. I went for an about an hour enjoying my session this morning but when I pulled out I noticed bumps and something like blisters on my shaft just behind the head of my penis. No pain and I enjoyed the session but I wonder if I was just too active. The toy is kind of tight but I had what I thought was ample lubrication. They are better now after a couple of hours but I never experienced that before.

Am I just rubbing too hard or too long? Is there a danger that I may damage or distort my penis by using these kinds of toys?
13  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Newbie Board / Re: Are all the breathing exercises necessary? on: July 16, 2013, 01:41:55 PM
In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, I say not really. Although a simple deep breath at the right moment can bring on an orgasm. People love to invent complex rules and make things hard. It makes them important.
14  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: My multiple orgasm on: June 22, 2013, 08:48:49 PM

Even though I practice dry orgasms mainly, I cannot really believe sperm contains some sort of energy that depletes a man's health if he ejaculates often. I just  cannot buy that in the light of modern science. Sure you get tired after ejaculation because the brain is flooded with chemicals but that wears off after time even in the same day. I suspect that ancient belief developed to explain the tiredness but  a better explanation is just brain chemicals. Dry orgasms are great because you can keep going and have more pleasure but wet orgasms are not harmful. In fact, if I understand correctly, they can be beneficial to older men according to sexual health experts. The male body is always making sperm cells and if they are not ejaculated, they eventually get broken down (destroyed) by the body as new ones are made. Belief that there is some magical life power in sperm cells  is just a form of Vitalism which was rejected by science a century ago.

Basically, dry orgasms are wonderful for themselves but not because they save us from harmful wet orgasms. Your thoughts?

15  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Newbie Board / Re: How do I separate PC muscles from buttock muscles? on: June 08, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
While not an expert, I think the latter is true. Some books say it's not that critical to separate them as long as both groups are being worked.
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