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1  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: December 02, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
People with dry O Mastery could submit videos to Pornhub, etc. People need to see more of this high art instead of just wasted energy emissions.
2  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: December 02, 2015, 06:52:40 AM
People with dry O Mastery could submit videos to Pornhub, etc. People need to see more of this high art instead of just wasted energy emissions.
3  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Two Options for Moving Energy on: November 27, 2015, 01:23:24 AM
To begin, start as usual for you only standing to be able to use the legs and buttocks, then incorporate rocking your hips back and forth like you were on a female centaur, clench and reclench buttocks all the while with a gentle pc hold. 

When there has been an established tingling in the head from drawing up the energy by squeezing the buttocks in response to a surge of pleasure filling your groin (1 or 2 times near ponr?), you have initiated a ball-head link (not just ball/dick as per usual) and you may proceed to orgasm, keeping mindful that not too much energy/attention is focused on the dick by rocking/clenching to maintain a balance. Also breath fully out so your breathing stays deep.

Wait till the contractions start (I was not aware of this important distinction until recently and it is one of the biggest keys - previously I thought you had to avoid the ponr, but actually the ponr is the trigger to clamp, but only once you have felt the ponr initiating and the contractions begin!) then, stopping stimulation, clamp hard with pc, buttocks, legs, fists and eyes to prevent ejaculatory-impulse (as if your very life depended on it). A small amount of cum may still escape depending on the timing of the clamp, however, the orgasm happened! (so many times in the past I would edge and edge, waiting for an orgasm to take me by surprise, but actually triggering an orgasm and then clamping is an option for those who lack the hours required for gentler methods - I highly recommend grape seed oil as a lubricant for those with the time) and if you start after 10 seconds or so to stroke again, you will find arousal is still available.
Clenching the buttocks and rocking the hips will now send stronger orgasmic energy to the head, rejuvenating you as you bask in post orgasm, which is free of that guilty feeling some men feel after ejaculating. Now there is release of frustration, but also, zero sense of depletion. A renewal to pursue other endeavors.

This time wasn't an earth-shattering orgasm, but it clears up when to squeeze. I will attempt it again. I have subsequently had sex and blew my load, thinking I could hold it. But more solo practice is needed. Then again a 3? Hour solo session which may have resulted is a couple of mild releases of pressure and sighs, which has left me with the desire to pursue this initial method of interrupting the orgasms' emission phase due to time constraints and hand crampage.
I have an aneros, I have used it twice. There is definitely something to it. But preparation is the killer - my main reason to achieve multiple orgasms is to have more energy, sure, pleasure is pleasurable. But we can't have sex all day everyday.

My aim is focussed now on the possibility of having one orgasm (without the emission phase) every night. The days would be filled with vital energy!

First to rest and recover energy from lost sperm during sex and arm reps.
P.s. During sex, women love it if you stay hard for them rather than come.
(I can't yet have multiples regularly, so I just stop near the ponr and then begin again - she loves it! Especially after this last time when she got to see the alternative - first time we actually got around to watch a movie when she came to stay over - normally we just keep making love until exhausted). This time I couldn't get hard after the simple emission orgasm. Not even the next morning. Game Over.
Some men refuse to see the point of dry orgasms. You have to have an open mind or you won't learn anything new.
This site also lists this method:
http://www.whitelotuseast.com/MultipleOrgasm.htm
4  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / First success using the "Love Satisfies" by Keepitup Johnson method on: March 29, 2015, 07:49:41 AM
After my last practice when I triggered PONR but remembered to push three fingers on the tube (gentle but firm) halfway between balls and butthole to stop the sperm coming out. It gave me the confidence to know i could save things without losing my energy.
This time i even used porn, and it helps not need as much physical exersion.
I used the techniques mentioned in the book and also used some Key Sounds, not that many, but may have assisted. Also i think the confidence relaxed me. I let some energy into the penis and allowed it to get closer to the pnr with less and less stimulation, no creams (perhaps they limit the variety of stimulation as once applied, the dry touch is lost).
I remember Keepitup said you can imagine peeing near ponr to assist in relaxing.
Anyway, after the combination of these i started having very light penis pulsations - first time without liquid. They were pleasant.
I definitely wanted to thank Keepitup!
As this was my first time with penis pulsations, I pushed the limit to find what would happen and triggered the PONR. I was able to lock the sperm again.
I read that no more than once every 2-3 days should one use the locking method.
This method seems to require less exertion which is great. (No butt squeezing to drive the energy up, also, I didn't use looking up all  the time or as a massive focus).
Relaxing really is the key, with porn too, find some nice porn where the woman is enjoying it (or at least in a way which we are happy they are not in distress).
Not sure if using porn with somebody you find particularly sexy as this may consume your attention and heat things up where they become unmannagable and instead of relaxing you become excited and the pleasure goes from nice and seductive to agitated.
Time spent was 30 min and maybe 15 edgings not far apart.
I look forward to the next time in a couple of days now that I know it's not a marathon event.
5  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Tantra Sexercises on: March 16, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
Sloppy Zhang25 Jan 2010

If you want to learn to have an orgasm without ejaculation, relax.

No, seriously.

During stimulation, there are all sorts of feelings going through the body. The problem is that a lot of people, (guys and gals) want to rush the process. You go from 0 to 60 in a quick couple of hand motions, and it's all over. Relax, and feel. Ejaculation and orgasm are two separate processes. Ejaculation is triggered by orgasm. When you relax, and learn to feel when the orgasm is coming, eventually you can learn to relax immediately after the orgasm. The muscles that cause ejaculation don't do their thing, and you feel the pleasure without ejaculation.

Trying to use an external lock, or even just trying to tense up some muscles in some weird way, isn't going to do anything but hurt you. Slow down, enjoy the process. Of course, that means if you aren't in a situation where you can't devote a lot of time to practice, you won't be able to practice but you should do it right or not do it at all.
6  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Crazy Progress on: March 16, 2015, 12:10:38 AM
This sounds amazing. Please share any tips and what exercises or particular training you used with detail on length of time both in sessions and over time if you can recall before you made it - it would really help us all.
7  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Tantra Sexercises on: March 14, 2015, 11:15:40 PM
Tantric Sexercises for Men and How to Control Ejaculation

TANTRIC SEXERCISES FOR MEN

PART 1
Previously we presented different techniques for control over the sexual energy. Why is this control so important?

The reasons are simple and easy to understand. A man's strength, his efficiency, his capacity for action, his vital, mental and spiritual resources are in close connection with his potential sexual energy.

Now we will present three efficient Taoist techniques specifically designed for control over the sexual energy.


THE THREE-FINGERS METHOD

The three-finger method has its origins in China, and dates back 5,000 years ago. It is a very simple method and anyone can learn it. Basically, it stops the loss of the sperm through pressure applied with the fingers.


HOW TO DO IT:

A few seconds before ejaculation, pull out from your lover's vagina and press the point between the anus and sexual organ with the three longer fingers of the right hand. Thus, if done correctly, the pressure applied in this area prevents ejaculation and the waste of sexual energy.


First, locate the exact spot: Press the point between the anus and

scrotum - a "gate" through which the energy comes in and out of the body.

Second, press with a medium force, feeling the exact pressure to apply: Usually, as the fingertips are quite strong, the pressure should not be very strong in order to stop the fluid.

Next, use all the three fingers:(index, middle finger and ring finger) to stop the fluid. If we use one finger only, the sperm will tend to pass by.

Two fingers will not totally block the channel, therefore use the index and the ring finger to press both sides of the urethra and immobilize it and then the middle finger to press directly on the urethra. Bend the fingers, most of all the middle finger.


[X] WHEN TO DO IT:

Immediately after you feel that ejaculation is imminent, pull out of your lover's vagina, and apply the pressure to stop the fluid. If you wait too long, the pressure will not be enough to stop the fluid.

This pressure should be applied before, during and after the contractions announcing ejaculation.

Block the "gate" with your fingers until you are absolutely certain that the ejaculation will no longer occur. The result of this blockage is that an important part of the seed will flow back inside the seminal reservoirs it came from.

 

 

PART 2

There is no danger in affecting the internal channels, because the tissues from this area are very elastic and capable of receiving the fluid.

You might think that the seminal reservoir could not contain the sperm over a certain level. This hypothesis would be correct if the male reproductive system would have been a simple reservoir with a hose. However, it is nothing like that. When the fluid stored there reaches a certain level, several processes occur.

First: The secretion of sperm diminishes, saving energy and the nutritional substances required for the secretion of sperm.

Second: The body has a natural tendency to reabsorb this fluid.

Third, the Taoists and Tantricshave perfected a "vaporizing" system, channeling the energy to the upper centers of force, reducing the pressure in the inferior seminal channels and in the prostate.

The seminal liquid is transmutedinto other substances necessary for the body and the energy resulted from the transmutation process is then sublimated into more refined energies.

This process resembles that of boiling water changing into vapors, a property that allows the water to transform and at the same time preserves the qualities of the water.

The spermatic liquid is thus transmuted into other substances needed for the body, resulting in a superior, more refined form of energy.

The force of the seed means more than the chemical analysis may comprise. Any scientist may mix the constituents of sperm. However, the laboratory-sperm can never have the reproductive force of life. The CHI energy is the very life contained in the seed, the force we seek to preserve and transform.

[X] The main practitioners of this method are the beginners and medium practitioners of sexualcontinence that do not master it entirely.

In fact, this method is quite helpful, but you should abandon it when you master the sublimation of the sexual energy.

In the first stages of the practice, you may experience a sensation of discomfort. This is normal and you should not become anxious as this method implies the external blocking of ejaculation.

 

 

PART 3

 

PRACTICAL ADVICE

1. Do not overdo it in the beginning. Use this powerful method only once in 2 or 3 days and not more than that. The old and the weakened should practice this method only once a week.

2. After using this method, your inner "fire" will raise. Therefore, it would be good if you drink more water.

3. After practicing the method of the external blockage for 1-3 months, or even less, you will notice an increase in your sexual appetite. Your erection will appear often and faster.

However, do not abuse of your new found power, increase your sexual activity gradually. In order to effectively sublimate the sexual energy, we recommend that you practice the asanas described in detail on our site.

4. The practice of this method requires a powerful pressure applied with the fingertips. If you cannot do it from the beginning, practice until you achieve the exact pressure needed.

[X] 5. Because a small quantity of sperm will still remain in the urethra, a part of the seed will be lost after the erection disappears.

Thus, in order to use this method for contraceptive purposes, you have to pull out of your lover's vagina before the erection fades away.

It is also compulsory that you urinate before making love again. For total safety, you may also use spermicide or other contraceptive means, at your disposal.

6. In the beginning, you may feel a little tired after lovemaking, because of the effort you made to avoid ejaculation.

Nonetheless, your reserves of vital energy will benefit from a boost of energy shortly after lovemaking. The tiredness will be replaced with a delicious state of euphoria.

7. However, a part of your vital energy will be consumed through this method. In order to avoid this loss entirely, you should master the internal blockage method, which will be described later in our articles.

The energy lost through the external blockage represents between 40 and 60% of the total force of your seed.

Even so, this method is preferable over the uncontrolled ejaculation. The external blockage offers considerable power and virility. This is an excellent method for beginners and it precedes the internal blockage.


 

 

PART 4

 

THE PERINEAL MASSAGE

 

After performing the external blockage, you have to massage two important pressure points.

The first is Hui-Yin, placed between the anus and the scrotum, the second is Chang-Chiang, placed at the middle distance between the anus and the coccyx.

Hui-Yin: is the point where the energy path of the anterior part of the torso starts. Hui-Yin connects the upper point, "The Crown" (of the head) Pai-Hui with the inferior point Yung-Chuan, placed on the sole.

The cosmic energy enters the body through Pai-Hui, the telluric energy comes in through Yung-Chuan, while Hui-Yin is placed at the middle distance between the two. This makes it an essential point in the circulation of the energy through the body.

The telluric energy enters the body through Hui-Yin. The sexual energy contained in the testicles enters and leaves the body through this gate. In other words, when the Hui-Yin gate is closed, the vital energy stays inside the body.

However, when this gate opens through the process ofejaculation, the vital force flows out, diminishing the vital reserves of energy. Hui-Yin deposits certain sanguine currents, which also stagnate at this level.

When the blood stagnates here, due to low level of CHI and to gravity, some health problems might appear. Hemorrhoids and thickening of the blood vessels determine a constant flow of CHI in the inferior part of the body.

Chang-Chiang: the point placed between the coccyx and the anus. This point directs the energy to the crown of the head, from which it irradiates in the whole body.

In Chang-Chiang, we find the nervous endings of many important nerves. This is the beginning of the second path of "electrical" energy in the body. This path starts from Chang-Chiang, passes through Pai-Hui, and ends in the palate.

Massage Hui-Yin and Chang-Chiang, performing 27 up to 81 rotations, using a soft silk cloth, and all your three middle fingers. The silk prevents the irritation of this area, and increases the flow of energy through these points.

This massage helps relax the tensed muscles and facilitates the re-absorption of the seminal fluid. This massage is essential for preventing prostate problems and stimulates the ascension of energy to Pai-Hui (the crown).

 

 

PART 5

 

INTERNAL BLOCKAGE: CHANNELING THE "NECTAR" UPWARDS

 

This method requires perseverant practice to a greater degree than any other method you will encounter.

It explains in detail the essential practice of seminal retention, thetransmutation and sublimation of the energy, the changes and exchanges of energy between man and woman during lovemaking.

However, to start you should practice the method described in this article and only after mastering it completely move on to other techniques as well.

Most certainly, you will discover other effective techniques. Each individual is unique and special; therefore practice the technique that best suits you.

Remember that seminal retention is simply a means to an end, not the end itself. Preserve your seed and your sexual energy and use them to reach fulfillment in love and in your life.

Authentic esoteric methods are anything but complicated. They are simple, so that anyone may practice them. If the geniuses were the only persons suitable for the practice of esoteric methods, these methods would most certainly lose their practicality. The simplicity of love is itself a great mystery.

Nonetheless, once you get to practice this method, everything becomes simple. This technique, when practiced correctly, becomes an action performed with body, mind and soul at the same time.

If you consider that these three aspects of your being are not in harmony, practice asanas(especially the reversed ones) so that you will be prepared for the Great Ascension.

If your body is impure, then the vital energy has to unblock the stagnating energy and to purify the impurities, and consequently you might pass through a rough time.

However, due to perseverant practice, you will feel the vital energy in your physical body more invigorating than ever before. You will know this because your life will become peaceful and filled with love.


SECRET STEPS IN BLOCKINGEJACULATION WITH THE GREAT ASCENSION

You have to "block" the nervous impulse that causes ejaculation, if you wish to resist to the pressure of imminent ejaculation.

The technique we are about to introduce to you is particularly powerful: it consists of a strong contraction of your perineum muscles, of your jaws, and of your fists. Perform this contraction after you finished the first set of penetrations.


[X] THE FIRST STEP: STOP PENETRATING, CONTRACT YOUR MUSCLES AND PULL OUT

As a technique for beginners, perform three superficial thrusts followed by a deep one. The most sensitive part of the vagina is the area between the entrance to the vagina and the first five centimeters, as this area is filled with nervous endings and corresponds to the first five centimeters of the man's penis.

If you penetrate your lover even deeper, your lover will contract her vaginal muscles even more, making your seminal retention a little more difficult. Pulling out from a deep penetration is risky and complicated, and requires a great deal of control in order to be successful.

Practice will allow you to perform 6 and then 9 superficial thrusts, alternating with a deep one. If you are a beginner in sexualcontinence or you've just met a woman that you are very attracted to, it will be quite difficult for you to do all the 81 superficial thrusts and 9 deep thrusts without pausing.

Whenever you feel that ejaculation is imminent, stop and pull out (regardless of the number of penetrations) and contract the genital area. You also do not need to pull out entirely. You may stay inside your lover's vagina, but only with the head of your penis.

Remain still until you are in control again. Penetration generates a great wave of energy as hundreds of billions of reproductive cells are more active than usually.

Once the energy builds up in the genital area, the local nerves transmit the stimuli up the spine, to the head, where the impulse that unleashes ejaculation occurs. In fact, orgasm is happening in your mind. Consequently, all you need to do is train your mind to experience a different kind of orgasm.

If your lover attempts to wrap her legs around you, to pull you closer, you have to take the distance you need to regain control over your sexual energy. Teach her to stop when you need to cool down. Remember that she is your best ally if you can make her cooperate.

 

 

 

PART 6

 

THE SECOND STEP: THE 9 POWERFUL, RAPID CONTRACTIONS WHILE RETAINING YOUR BREATH

 

Perform nine rapid contractions of the perineum, jaws and fists muscles. Perform nine such powerful and rapid contractions for the Great Ascension, while retaining the breath with your lungs filled with air.

These contractions "absorb" the surplus energy that leads toejaculation. Make as many as six sets of nine contractions, until the ejaculatory-impulse disappears.

With this method, the aroused sexual energy tends to leave the nerves and goes to the contracted muscles. Make the retention of your breath as fast as possible, so that the nervous impulse is cut as often as possible. Repeating the nine contractions six times should reduce the ejaculatory impulse to zero.

However, you do not have to perform all six sets of nine contractions. It is only essential to regain your control over the sexual energy.

As you are on top of your lover, supporting yourself on your forearms, with your penis inside your lover's vagina, your seed will be quite "effervescent".

The nine contractions will help you control the sexual energy. Meanwhile, you will have the time to enjoy the calm force that springs from this technique. The genital glands enlarge when you get close to the point of non-return. The contractions for the Great Ascension reduce their dimensions, extract the extra energy from them and diminish the sexual tension.

[X] A short interval between the contractions enhances the power of the muscles to block the seed. If the interval between two contractions is too long, the muscles will perform an ineffective contraction.

The inhalation should not be too fast or too slow, so that the energy has the time to flow back to the genital area. The breath retention during the nine contractions weakens the impulse leading to ejaculation.

The purpose of these contractions is to change the direction of the seminal fluid. From a physical point of view, this means that you have to accelerate the flow of the sexual energy upwards, through the spine.

This acceleration occurs only in the moment of contraction, and not when you relax the muscles. Thus, it is required that you perform several successive contractions in order to direct the fluid into the body and to defeat the tendency of the seed to dissipate.


THE THIRD STEP: THE CONTRACTION OF THE BUTTOCKS

The importance of this step should not be neglected. The greatest muscle of the body has to be used for our advantage. Contract the buttocks so that if you sit, your body lifts a little. Having good muscle tone in your buttocks is important for your health.

When these muscles are flaccid, the vital energy flows out of the body. When these muscles are toned, one of the two basic energies of the body is held inside.

[X] The other energy gets out of the body through the penis, when ejaculating. The pain becomes easily bearable if the muscles are contracted. Just as the nervous impulse named "pain" is weakened by a muscular contraction, so is the ejaculatory impulse.

In both cases the muscles absorb energy and this interferes with the nervous impulse. The contraction of some important muscles takes the energy from the genital area.

The contraction of the buttocks is recommended mainly for the interruption of the nervous circuit between the brain and the genitals, at the base of the spine. Therefore, firmly contract the buttocks, because this action stops the ejaculatory impulse from taking over.

 

 

 

PART 7

 

THE FOURTH STEP: THE CLENCHING OF THE TEETH

 

Clench the teeth and press the tongue on the palate. The clenching of the teeth interrupts the nervous flux between the body and neck. Furthermore, this helps the contraction of the buttocks.

These two contractions should be simultaneous because they help one another and ensure a complete blockage. During the contraction, the seed is directed deeper and deeper into the body.

The most intense transmutationof the fluid occurs at the end of counting, by the seventh, eighth, and ninth contraction. The firmness of the contraction determines the forced ascension of the fluid. The contractions should be stronger and stronger, from the first to the ninth.

If you prolong lovemaking, the pleasure will grow in intensity. In the moment in which the pleasure increases, you have to maintain the uro-genital diaphragm closed.

This will help you prevent the sperm from going beyond the "gate". Try to stop it or you will find it impossible to control it. It is necessary that you stopejaculation before the sperm begins to "agitate".


THE FIFTH STEP: CHANNEL THE FLOW OF ENERGY FROM THE GENITAL ORGANS TO THE HEAD AREA

 

Exhale, releasing the yang energy and relax the head, neck, chest, abdomen and pelvis areas. Allow the energy to flow into your beloved. Inhale and direct the energy to the head area. If this is difficult for you, lead the energy to Hui-Yin and then up the spine.

One may look upon the Great Ascension as an internal current, beginning with the contraction of the penis, it goes through the perineum and buttocks, on the spine, to the head area.

If you have difficulties in directing the energy to the head area, you may channel the energy to the navel in the first stage. Thus the energy will follow the voluntary muscular contractions, being forced to go up to the head area.

After the energy builds up in this area, you may direct it downwards, to Hui-Yin, and then through the spine towards the head. If you carefully deposit the energetic fluid, it will be a lot easier for you to direct it afterwards.

The relaxation after the Great Ascension determines the expansion of the sanguine vessels contracted in the penis. Thus you absorb a great quantity of Yin energy without any effort. During the great ascension, the woman's energy enters her body through the inferior part of the man's body.

During relaxation, the energy is "attracted" towards the upper centers. This effect is obvious even from the early stages of practice.

In the beginning, the systematic practice of the Great Ascension may seem difficult, even exhausting for some people, but practice will make it easy and at hand. Close the inferior gate so that your seed stays inside.

The power of your will to control the seed grows as you practice. Increasing your will power to retain your seed will amplify your will in all domains: in work, sports, and family. Consequently, love and desire to grow spiritually will benefit from a restless vigor that is full of surprises.


THE SIXTH STEP: THE DELICATE ABSORPTION

If the erection weakens, start the penetrations again and use the Delicate Absorption. After the first series of penetrations and strong contractions, you may sometimes contract the head of the penis during the penetration. Pretend that the head of the penis is like a baby gently sucking his mother's breast. Begin to direct the energy acquired in this manner upwards.

The Great Ascension has a greater effect if the penis is already filled with yin energy through the Delicate Absorption.

The difference between the Delicate Absorption and the Great Ascension should be clear by now: the Delicate Absorption accompanies the usual penetration, and the head of the penis, the testicles and the uro-genital diaphragm are contracted. The rest of the muscles are relaxed, and do not contribute to the channeling of the energy.

This technique is mainly about preventing the energy from getting out, not necessarily about channeling it upwards. Furthermore, the energy builds up at the level of the penis, and we will transfer it upwards later, using the Great Ascension.
8  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 12, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
I know it is tempting to want hard scientific evidence.
Unfortunately,  science can't cover everything at the moment and perhaps ever, as it also adheres to certain structures which we take for granted and trust implicitly out of cultural habit.

For way of a perhaps unrelated example, the conceptual mind is unable to illuminate what are purely experiential mind experiences.

There is probably no hard evidence that chakras exist, yet for some people they are noticeable.

Subtle energy is what we are working with here I think. The rising sexual energy.
I am not sure hard science has time/resources allocated to indulge in these pursuits compared to their other projects but I would like them to.

When we have an orgasm, you can feel the energy rising. But texts on orgasm would list purely mechanical functions. This is the limit of our Western Science - the non awareness/admittance of the existance of subtle energy which we can all feel when we have orgasms! Unfortunately,  some people are put off and label any deviation as "new age" and switch off, not realising that just because it hasn't been proved doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It is easy to underestimate past civilizations and assume they were all inferior to our own in terms of knowledge, this would be a mistake. When invaded by superior soldiers, the previous culture is destroyed along with their knowledge. Medicinal treatments - Tibetans knew how to purify mercury and used it in special tablets, it preserved the medicine many fold - The Rainbow Palace by Tenzin Choedrak.
Our own society has knowledge but lacks wisdom because it generates massive momentum, controlled by heartless corporations which is destroying our planet because of fear of competition and unsustainable growth.
9  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Looking UP lightens the sexual energy! on: March 12, 2015, 08:51:05 AM
I notice that this helps and thought it deserves it's own heading.
Where we place our attention, that is where our energy goes.
Since we are trying to lift the energy up the body and not let it explode out the penis, looking up with our eyes and necks does help the ponr become more manageable and less unwieldy.

This marks the 3rd attempt since my first successful dry mmo and I think that not remembering to relax Embarrassed has been the biggest downfall, however tonight's 1hr session went much better due to using shower gel - better than lube!
Also when I remembered to use the looking up position (standing or kneeled, although it should be effective reclining too) in the second half of the session, it helped aid the required mind set for mmo (relaxation, lighter mind, not masculine/dominant/porn heavy).
If you have a bad neck, bring your chin in first to set the spine straight (rather than the chin hanging out) then tilt your head up.

Another useful think to know is the slight indentation near the anus (the hui-yin point that Mantak Chia talks about) to press once the ponr has been triggered so you can stop the whole bag being emptied, apply the pressure there until the last pleasure squeeze and then you can begin again with sperm for lubricant.  
I mention it here because I finally (third triggered ponr this session) managed to find it in time to stop any? Sperm coming out after the first couple of triggered ponr which I managed to cut short by a mixture of finding the hui-yin late and pulling back on my wish to ejaculate (probably squeezing, but for me is more mental and the squeezing is not my main focus but just that I have let ponr happen and I consider it time to stop or as in tonight, due to superior lube (body wash shower gel) continue (and release hui-yin pressure point - needs to be quite firm) once the pulsations have stopped.
I would like to enjoy the pulsations but my main focus is on stopping the stream.
More practice will help.
I would have kept pursuing a mmo which is encouraging for energy reasons despite a couple of leaked ejaculations. The abrasion decided me. I did notice my third eye region had pressure built up which is a good sign that the butt squeezing I did helped.
It is a bit of a let down not to repeat my mmo to be honest but it did happen once so in time I should get the mixture right again.
10  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: A Challenge & No Blue Balls!!! There is a diff: orgasm/ejac,/hf ejac. on: March 12, 2015, 08:33:24 AM
Nice! It is something that every man should know and feel ok to work towards. The common feeling of wanting to share this with others shows the benefit - not of lost hours alone, but of the resulting glow of energy that fills us up and (I'm guessing) has more to offer the world.
I had an initial success which made a huge boost to the next days energy - it was striking! I purchased several mmo books but people usually are not receptive to it (that I have experienced) it's like religeon, people don't want you pushing it on them. I saw a you tube video of a guy's dick having mmo's so I guess these things are out there but adults have to be ready on their own and want to pursue it.
It would definitely be of benefit to teenagers to know though - a real sex education!  Atleast mention the possibility in passing please teachers!
11  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: First one! (I did it) on: March 12, 2015, 08:20:44 AM
Wow, this is great. The detail helps. So how easy was the second time to be non-ejaculatory?  Did you need to edge again a few times?
12  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 12, 2015, 03:16:04 AM
Thank you Bob & SDragon. You are both obviously well educated.  It is good to be able to talk about as many different views as possible. I can see that you both have open minds to possibilities.
Bob, what you said has got me second guessing myself. I could be wrong about ejaculation taking a massive toll on males, and have been deceived. My feelings of ill-health may have had other factors and perhaps I drew the wrong conclusions or magnified their importance.
However I'm still going to put my faith in what Mantak Chia says though because it feels right to me.
13  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 05, 2015, 01:55:46 AM
Gmen2007, In "The Way of the Spitual Man" by David Deida, he talks about how women ask the man to come but are actually more pleased if the man doesn't!  Amazing, but true.
Try it for yourselves guys and see if the woman complains - you'll retain your affections for her after the act which normally are extinguished into affections that require effort rather than a present playful desire which is very real and not forced to make up for lack of desire.
I did have sex with a woman who wanted me to come but this was after my long recovery and had previously felt the hard truth and it left no doubt in my mind that to come would deflate me. I really opened up to her and seemed like I would intuit when she would txt me before it happened, maybe I was imagining things. But I think that doing it this way may create a strong (even psychic?) bond.
She really was into me, so much so that I became scared and needed space but she didn't listen and I had to end it.
The point of telling you is that she didn't mind that I didn't come. Even though she was begging me to the first time, but the second and last time it wasn't even raised.
We have to make our minds up before we engage because otherwise the temptation will get the better of us.
David Deida says women feel safe when the man doesn't just do/agree to what she asks for,  because if he is able to say no to her, she knows that he will be able to say no to others - he's no pushover,  and she has a man who has his own goal that he wont sacrifice for anything (this is what women want, they don't want a needy man that gives her everything and expects her to love him for it - that turns her off).
I hope I haven't been insulting, I was once a man that gave everything to his wife - in my case that lead to the end of our marriage,  so please don't take this the wrong way. I only seek to try to understand and perhaps help others.
14  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Male Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: Newbie's Thoughts on Multiple Os on: March 04, 2015, 06:12:52 PM
Jack Johnson (Key Sound) says "orgasm is bioenergetic, ejaculation is glandular".
Ejaculation takes its toll on men's health, a degeneration which some may notice more than others depending on their current constitution.
The possibility to have orgasm without ejaculation allows the replenishing regeneration of this bioenergy to invigorate us and be more present with available energy to the world around us whereas
repeatedly ejaculating will diminish our available energy.
To stop ejaculation is to prevent the degeneration of health which I found occuring from repeated multiple ejaculations. To accompany this with mmo (without ejaculation) has an invigorating enlivening result.

(The point is that the orgasms can be enjoyed without the reflex triggering PONR and sperm being dumped along with the life-essence that takes the best from our organs each time - since the whole point of sperm is to create new life and each ejaculation is assumed by the body to be propogating the survival of the species).

I realise I've written a lot here and I hope you'll forgive my intrusion as being intended to help. I read Mantak Chia's words about sperm being potent and precious but still didn't stick with his program when the hui-yin point didn't seem to work on my first attempt,  I then decided it was too hard and went on to discover my long abstinence helped me begin to have multiple ejaculations.
I suppose this did lead to my experiencing the truth of his lesson through a long period of not knowing if I would regain my health or not or whether I had already blown it by repeatedly blowing my load.
So I ended up learning through experience what Mantak Chia said about sperm.
I don't want to ejaculate again, my particular constitution fares better that way, but just because some people don't notice the reduced energy, perhaps I am analogous to the canaries that miners used as warnings.
15  The Male Multiple Orgasm Forum / Male Multiple Orgasm Resources / Re: Neil Slade amygdala clicking book review on: March 02, 2015, 03:50:19 AM
This book highlights how deep the wisdom of Buddhism is and how important having a linneage is.

This book encourages using anger in certain visualisations to clear painful memories. But as I have been taught by my teacher, a Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche Lama: "Anger is the unmanageable-one". Better to transmute the anger, not explore and practice anger. This just makes one more likely to resort to anger in the future. Anger destroys. Tolerance is the highest virtue, but only if you know why you are practicing tolerance - Why? because it prevents duplicating the problem (duplicating would be like blaming someone for starting the fire which you then add more wood). Knowing that no harm comes to us which is not a result of past harm we have caused, so tolerating is exhausting our past negative karma. We don't benefit from resentful "idiot-tolerance" which is just passive-aggressive anger anyway. We must be tolerant WITH congnizance, with good 'why's' - "why am I tolerant?" Because it helps them come to their senses, it helps prevent a disaster of 2 people angry, it exhausts my negative karma, think: may my tolerance destroy my anger and their anger.

Imagine if we can all practice tolerance in this manner with greater clarity of mind, not thinking there is only one right way but instead able to find choices,  that it was my projection - it wasn't actually you "I just wanted my way, I was being selfish".


The Three Buddhist Poisons: Ignorance,  Desire, Anger.

Strong Desire (for "My way") is the parent of Anger (thru not getting "My way"). Ignorance is not being aware of the Desire.
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