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Author Topic: Questions about my method... Is it just edging?  (Read 9537 times)
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« on: August 30, 2012, 07:45:24 AM »

Hello,
I've read the book of Mantak Chia "Multi Orgasmic Man", but I'm not sure if I do all correctly.
At the point of ejaculation, I contract the PC muscle for a brief period, right at the moment for avoiding ejaculation and then I do not clench anything but I concentrate on not contracting the muscles which lead to ejaculation and on the breathing, sometime experiencing also some PC muscle contractions, but very soft in repect to an "old style orgasm with ejaculation".
But in the book is written that you have to clench the PC muscle for the whole period of the orgasm, I guess you have to develop so powerfull PC muscles that even the involontaries contractions are clenched, right?
So, basically what I'm doing is just edging, right? The difference is that you must experience the power of the full orgasm, not just keeping retainining the semen, right?
Thank you for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 12:51:46 PM »

You must stop all involuntary contractions
   The muscle must be strong to do that.
   Yes invonluntárias contractions should be replaced by a strong contraction.
   You need to hit the right spot to have an orgasm without pelvic contractions (ejaculation)
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 12:53:40 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 08:02:15 PM »

My understanding of the book is that you supress the ejaculatory contractions but not the orgasm contractions which occur just prior to ejaculation. It may also be that one is supposed to feel some contractions associated with ejaculation but not let the semen out.

I any case, I suspect many people have unique experiences.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 09:26:46 PM »

I would add that in some of my dry orgasms this morning, I thought I ejaculated but did not actually. That tells me that a dry orgasm can sometimes be just like the feeling of a wet one. Sometimes I feel two parts to the orgasm. First, I feel that sense when you are at the point of no return and it feels so good but that feeling seems extended in time. Then, I relax and my body goes into contractions which feel like ejaculation but is dry.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 11:28:13 PM »

So if the orgasmic feeling comes first, then ejaculation, we relax through the orgasm but as soon as the contractions for ejaculation start then we clench down stopping the orgasm?  Then release again as soon as ejaculation impulse stops?  Somehow the order of events is confusing. 
I feel that in practice, practicing edging in one session slowly approaching orgasm relaxing deeper and deeper, the sensations of orgasm and ejaculation separate and I can avoid the ejaculations just by relaxing and thinking of other body areas, but I don't get to the dry orgasm yet.
Could I be thwarting the process by trying too hard to keep from going over the edge?
I do feel more conscious of pulsing in the perineum, but not to dry orgasm.
Suggestions?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 12:02:49 PM »

Tumo,

In my experience, clamping down with the PC muscles during orgasm doesn't prevent ejaculation. It just ruins the orgasm. I think relaxing into orgasms is a better approach.

You wrote, "slowly approaching orgasm relaxing deeper and deeper, the sensations of orgasm and ejaculation separate and I can avoid the ejaculations just by relaxing and thinking of other body areas, but I don't get to the dry orgasm yet."

You notice how thinking about other body areas prevents ejaculation. You're on the right track! Thinking of other body areas moves your sexual energy out of your penis into those areas. Where your mind goes, your energy flows.

During sex, most men think about our penis, so most of their energy goes into and cums out of the penis.

Too much energy (tension) in the penis triggers a wet orgasm. Not enough energy - no dry orgasm.

Tumo, because you haven't reached a dry orgasm yet, in addition to stating the obvious (come closer to your point of no return before relaxing), I suggest you move a little more sexual energy into your penis to reach dry orgasms. Simply feel sensations in your penis a little bit more. Play around with moving your energy into and out of your penis.

There are as many ways to dry orgasms as their are men. Everyone does it differently. Keep on practicing. You're on the right track, and you're close to your goal of having dry orgasms.

Best, Keepitup Johnson

PS. Fantasy and porn are too hot (too much energy in your dick) and lead to ejaculation. Aim for something cooler.

PSS. We're all good at moving energy around our body, we do it all the time. It's how we survive. Smile  Smiley You just moved energy into your face. You can experience orgasmic energy and orgasms anywhere and everywhere in your body. My book offers simple steps if you want more help, http://www.amazon.com/Love-Satisfies-infinite-non-ejaculatory-Sustainable/product-reviews/1479215694/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2013, 06:19:40 PM »

Tumo,

My order is that if I am just about at the point of no return, I am experiencing a certain orgasmic feeling, then I relax and the contractions I feel are not the ejaculation, they just feel like they are, I do not supress  those because they  are dry and feel very good. That, I believe, is the dry orgasm which feels like the release I want.
The only clamping I do is an occational clamp to avoid getting too hot and force a backing off when my mind power alone is not enough.

I cannot prove my experience is the same as anyone elses though.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2013, 07:13:30 PM »

My experience is the same as Bob's description.
 
My dry orgasms vary from time to time. Some are more powerful, and I feel something like a jolt, while others are mellow.

Life and orgasms are always changing.

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2013, 08:38:56 PM »

Thank you for your answers KeepitUp and Bob.  I have read the book a couple of times and I enjoy the illustrations.  I wrote a review on Amazon as well.  This book needs widespread distribution.  I have shared it with friends also. 
Yes I agree that clamping down in the orgasm ruins it. 
Also I do not indulge in images and or porn.  I think of this as part of my spiritual practice.  I may kick off a session with an image of those I love, but then I let them all go.  Too hot as you say. 
I have had some interesting experiences with doing a very short practice after having to get up in the night to go to the bathroom.  I do a little practice, then doing a bit more practice while letting go into sleep, then totally letting go into sleep.  Sometimes I wake up with my perineum pulling up by itself and very pleasant pulsing in the prostate area.  When I awaken I am in this in between state of mind. Sometimes other areas of my body are also pulsing.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 01:30:56 PM »

If I try moving the energy out of my penis then I can prevent myself from cumming, but I don't orgasm.  I can just keep stimulating my penis seemingly forever without reaching orgasm.  But if I move the energy back into my penis I just go straight to ejaculation.  I can't seem to separate the two.

I get to a point where it feels like both orgasm and ejaculation are inevitable, neither have happened yet, but there's a kind of surge, the PONR I guess, where there's about a second before they happen, and at this point I can't stop either of them from happening.  Mantak Chia's book talks about having the orgasm but stopping before the ejaculation, but to me they don't come in that order, if anything the ejaculatory contractions start first.

People on this thread are talking about having contractions which are dry, as if you know that they are going to be dry, so you don't stop them.  How do you achieve these different contractions?
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 02:09:23 PM »

I think there's a lot going on here, and I think this forum is great because all of us experience and describe multiple orgasms a little differently.  

Scampifries, you wrote . . . people seem to know whether the orgasm will be wet or dry, so they don't stop the orgasmic contractions.

Yes! These orgasmic contractions are the same - wet or dry. As you wrote, the contractions come first. Fluid is released after the contractions begin. In dry orgasms, the orgasmic contractions don't pump anything out.

How to stay dry? As a beginner, I didn't know for certain which orgasms would be dry and which would be wet. I just waited until the pressure to ejaculate was low, then let go, and hoped for the best.

I suggest you try these three things separately (not all at once):


1. During sex, instead of moving your energy into your penis to power up the orgasm - only increase the physical stimulation. Scare the crowd at the Grand Canyon - run fast towards the edge, then slide to a stop and laugh and relax. Obviously, it's better to stop way short of the edge than to go over the edge.
 
2.  Reach the edge of the Point of No Return with no speed, no pressure, no tension, no drive, no expectations, no energy, no sexy thoughts, no thing, no momentum. For you bro, less is more. You have lots of sexual energy. You can trigger dry orgasms with less, a lot less than you think.

3. Relax. Don't come into the orgasm too hot.  Build up to orgasm playfully and slowly. Stroke yourself everywhere. Always maintain a slight PC squeeze. This tells "He Who Must Be Obeyed" who is in charge. You! When you want to orgasm, relax your PC muscles, but only relax your PC muscles when there's less pressure to ejaculate than usual. If you're not completely at ease (relaxed) when you're close to the edge and totally turned on, your body will be surging and shoving out your sperm during your orgasm.

LMK . . . Keepitup Johnson
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2013, 10:07:26 AM »

Aha moment!!! Cry

I never release my PC muscle squeeze to have a dry orgasm when all my energy is throbbing in my dick wanting to explode.

I move my energy out of my penis, then I let go and relax.

Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
Ps. My book covers this in detail.


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