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« on: July 27, 2013, 03:57:19 AM »

In trying to learn how to have MMOs I decided to start keeping a diary of my "practice" sessions where I could record what I tried and what the results were.  Having started it, I've decided to make it public, with the aim of acheiveing 2 things:

1. Getting feedback/tips/guidance from others on this forum.
2. Allowing other learners to read it and learn from it.

Below I will start posting my diary entries (I will write up my existing ones retrospectively).  Watch this space!...
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 04:06:10 AM »

2013-07-02

What I tried:
I tried squeezing that feels like muscles at the sides/just about the base of the penis, and contracting them together, downwards and forwards slightly.  The penis doesn't move when they're contracted, but it's *almost* the same muscle that moves the penis, just contracted downards rather than upwards.

Result:
Ejaculation.

What I want to try next time:
The same muscle squeeze but with a less rushed build up.  Approach the PoNR as if I don't want to cum, and keep all muscles relaxed in the build up.

Notes added for the malemultiple.org forum:
* From here onwards I will refer to the muscle which moves the penis (the one which you contract when you ejaculate) as the "twitch muscle", and the one which does not move the penis as the "Base of Penis muscle (BoP)".  I believe that identifying the right muscle is something which a lot of people (myself definitely included) get wrong.  None of the books I've read explain this properly.  You can stop your urine flow with the twitch muscle, but I'm pretty sure it's not the right muscle.  See this thread for more info/discussion: http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=320
* When I mention "keep all muscles relaxed in the build up", I'm referring to keeping the twitch muscle relaxing during stimulation.  Again, more discussion about this in that ^ thread.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 04:50:29 AM »

Thoughts and learnings from reading threads on malemultple.org since last practice

* It seems that perhaps the "pre-orgasm surge" (the kind of surge after you hit the PoNR but before the ejeaculatory contractions start) can be turned into an MMO by using the PC relax technique.  Maybe.
* People discussing the glans (head) stimulation technique, which sounds as if it allows you to stimulate yourself to orgam without ever building up the urge to ejaculate.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2013, 04:57:10 AM »

2013-07-07

What I tried:
Started by trying the glans stimulation, but struggled to get close to orgasm with it.  I wasn't very patient though, so definitely not ruling it out, it just qasn't the technique that I was aiming to try.  I tried to build up without tensing the twitch muslce, and I squeezed the BoP muscle during stimulation.  I also discovered that the BoP muscle is kind of in two parts, it feels like a sort of see-saw, so as the front part of it squeezes forwards and down, the back part of it squeezes backwards and up.  The back part of it feels like it's closer to the sperm tubes.  I felt like I could feel the separation of orgasm and ejaculation, so I went for it, but didn't quite manage to keep them separate.

Result:
I ejaculated, but only a very small amount.  And my urine was not cloudy afterwards (meaning that I did not do a retrograde ejaculation), so I think that I've almost got it right.

What I want to try next time:
Same again, but again (as I was meant to do this time) with a less rushed build up and approaching the PoNR as if I'm not trying to go over it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2013, 05:03:33 AM »

2013-07-10

What I tried:
Same as last time.

Result:
Ejaculation.  But I noticed that by squeezing this muscle during arousal (close to PoNR) I could then squeeze the twitch muscle and not have it make me nearly cum (like it usually would).  I..e. I could almsot see how once you've stopped the semen you can then potentially have normal contractions without ejaculating.

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2013, 05:17:59 AM »

2013-07-12

What I tried:
Lots of edging.  I tried squeezing the BoP muscle and drawing energy up the spine and circulating it around the body.  I felt like I nearly reached a full body orgasm, but didn't, and then didn't manage to circulate the energy again in the same way.  As I continued I found it harder and harder to prevent the 'gun from being loaded' (as it were).  When I hit the PoNR it was the usual case of the surge which cannot be stopped (the gap between the PoNR and the contractions actually starting) which results in simultaneous ejaculation and orgasm.  All of this was done standing up.

Result:
Ejaculation.

What I want to try next time:
I want to read Keepitup Johnson's replied on http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=320.  concentrate on circulating energy around the body, AFTER 1-2 weeks of not ejaculating.

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2013, 05:57:37 AM »

2013-07-22

What I tried:

Didn't use any thoughts of owmen at all, just woke with a slight errection and used physical stimulation (not mental stimulation).  Very different experience.  I didn't have any tension in the twitch muscle at all during stimuation.  I think this is how pornstars manage to last so long, it's being relaxed.  I also circulated my energy up my spine to my head.  This seemed easier and more 'real' than normal.  After a while though I think I got impatient and I started to "load the torpedo".

Result:
I tensed my BoP muscle and tried to hold in my sperm as I came.  I only ejaculated a small amount (and no cloud urine) but I still lost my errection.  I also felt a bit of involuntary rhythmic contraction in my BoP muscle (or near there) at some point.  (Similar to what Dr Lin talks about on actionlove.com with contracting your "tailbone muscle" until it starts to contract involuntarily.)

Possible things to try for next time:
* Approaching the PoNR slowly so that I get the pre-ejaculation surge (the pause between PoNR and contractions), and then squeeze the BoP muscle to hold in the sperm before letting the contractions through.  Although I'm pretty sure from trying this that it doesn't work.
* Stimulate myself allowing tension to build in the in twitch muscle as I reach the PoNR (as it always does) and then as I reach the PoNR, relax and make the relaxation cause the orgasm.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2013, 06:16:18 AM »

2013-07-24

What I tried:
Again, stimulated myself without visual fantasies which allowed me to stayed relaxed (not tensing the twitch muscle) during most of the stimulation.  As usual, as I approached the PoNR the tension built.  I tried to stop before the PoNR and then relax to try to get the relaxing to trigger the orgasm.  But after a few attempts at this with the relaxing having no effect, I then stopped short of the PoNR and had one of those moments tetetering on the edge of the PoNR where I haven't quite reached it but it's almost inevitable, and I relaxed, but that just allowed the energy to be released† and so I ejaculated.  I'm thinking that I need to squeeze the BoP muscle when I'm teetering on the edge so that I can somehow approach the PoNR without it causing ejaculation.

Result:
Ejaculation.

† this is what Keepitup Johnson says not to do here! http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=366.msg1023#msg1023
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2013, 06:29:21 AM »

2013-07-13

What I tried:
I wasn't very aroused so I used a few images to get myself turned on.  Stimulated myself whilte maintaining a slight BoP squeeze.  As I came close to the PoNR I slowed down the strokes.  This was something that strangely I hadn't been doing before.  Usually as I teeter towards the PoNR I control how close I am by doing little bursts of fast strokes, but this time I actually slowed the strokes, giving more control.

I tried stopped before the PoNR, squeezing the BoP msucle until the urge to ejaculate wwent and then then relaxing.  No orgasm.  I tried this several times, until eventually I reached the PoNR, I could feel it coming, there was a pause of at least 2-3 seconds where the ejaculatory contracted hadn't started yet, but I knew I was beyond the PoNR.  During this time I squeezed the BoP muscle hard.  This seemed to delay ejaculation (this was probably why there were 2-3 seconds before ejaculation), but eventually the contractions started and I released the BoP muscle and ejaculated.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2013, 06:44:56 AM »

2013-07-27

After reading KeepitupJohnson's replies on this thread: http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=394.0 I'm going to try going for 1 month without going over the PoNR.  That's going to be tricky!  Whenever I try to end a practice session withouth going over the PoNR I always think "Just a bit more edging... noooo!!! Splat."  Let's see how it goes.  I'll continue to post my discoveries on this thread...
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 10:47:43 PM »

Scampifries very nice documentation of your learning process. I intended to make a similar thread as well, see how it goes. Haven't practised the past week, fear of ejaculation, and then the waiting process of building up sexual energy again. Can totally relate to your process as we're on the similar point of the learning curve. Agree that practising without visual stimulation is tougher. 1 month without going over PoNR going to be tough. Keep it going and all the best!
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 11:26:09 PM »

Thanks, Scampifries, your posts are wonderful!

You wrote, "eventually I reached the PoNR, I could feel it coming, there was a pause of at least 2-3 seconds where the ejaculatory contracted hadn't started yet, but I knew I was beyond the PoNR.  During this time I squeezed the BoP muscle hard."

I experience dry orgasms exactly the same way, there's a 2-3 second pause between reaching the PONR and the dry orgasm. Yet I saw one difference: I don't squeeze hard. I suggest you squeeze gently because, from my experience, there's no way to relax into a dry orgasm when squeezing hard.

You mentioned learning to stroke slowly instead of fast. I think you're on the right track. Less is more when it comes to triggering dry orgasms. It takes stimulation, yes it does, but it's better to be unwinding a bit rather than pumping up. I think of dry orgasms as coming from relaxing instead of pumping. Let me tell you about my first dry orgasm . . .

I was 18, my girlfriend and I were in bed, naked. We were touching only above the waist. We were virgins. Ok, so I'm full of energy. We had pretty much finished making out. We were just hugging. We were winding down, letting the temptation subside - we weren't going to lose the virginity, not this time. We were just relaxing. Then she touched the head of my penis. That one simple touch was all it took. I orgasmed.  
I shared with her, "Wow, you touched me, and I came."  

I was startled to find no wet spot in the sheets. I mean I was really surprised because I knew I had just cum. What's up with this? I just came, and NO jizz!

This dry orgasm did NOT come from squeezing PC's - I knew nothing of PC muscles; this dry orgasm did not come because I was intentionally circulating my energy - I knew nothing of circulating energy.  In fact, I had never even heard about dry orgasms, and my second dry orgasm didn't come until 25 years later (after I read that it was possible to orgasm without ejaculating).

My first dry orgasm happened spontaneously . . . why?  Perhaps it was because after being revved up, and then relaxing and unwinding, I got a little stimulation from her hand.
 
I think two essential things happen when we relax and unwind instead of pump into orgasm:
1) Our sexual energy isn't loaded in the penis - some of it naturally dissipates (leaves the penis by osmosis).
2) We feel less stimulation more. Yes. Less is more when we are relaxed - so simply holding my penis with a relaxed hand if I'm  solo - or simply being motionless inside of her if I'm with my lover is all the stimulation it takes to hit orgasm.

Stay in the vicinity of the PONR but do not ramp up the stimulation, take a break. I think this break, this relaxing and unwinding, separates the orgasm from the ejaculation. After you go a month without orgasms, you'll be pretty good at relaxing and unwinding.

Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2013, 12:43:52 PM »

Hi thanks for the replies.  Just to say that I haven't stopped this, I've just been busy moving house and don't have an internet connection at home (only at work), so haven't written up my latest diary entries yet.  They're coming soon though!...
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 04:54:31 PM »

2013-07-13

Woke with an errection, used fantasies on and off, but always kept the twitch muscle relaxed (until nearing the PoNR, but even then I'm not sure how tense it was).  Lots of squeezing of the BoP muscle.  Didn't go over the PoNR, just went near to it several times and used the BoP muscle and drawing energy up my spine to stay in control.

There is actually a bit of variation in how you can squeeze the BoP muscle.  It's feels a bit like a seesaw - the front goes down and the back goes up, but then you can kind of squeeze the back bit slightly further back.  It feels like the further back you sqeeze it the closer it is to the sperm tubing and therefore the better.

Edit (at time of typing this up): While there is some variation in the way that you can squeeze what I call the Base of Penis muscle (which I distingusih from the "twitch" muscle which feels slightly further forward), I'm not sure that this level of detail in how you squeeze the BoP muscle is really necessary, especially after reading Keepitup Johnson's reply on here: http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=413.0.  There is definitely a difference between the BoP muscle and the twitch muscle though, the former reduces my urge to cum but the latter increases it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 04:58:37 PM »

2013-08-01

Woke with a slight errection, stimulated with some use of fantasies and generally kept the twitch muscle relaxed.  I started to feel a kind of energy in my head which felt like it might have been the beginnings of a full body orgasm.  As I then played near the PoNR I felt a kind of swelling (which was different to the usual loaded penis felling) right at the base of my penis, almost behind the BoP muscle.  I also felt like I was starting to feel that if I relaxed I could trigger an orgasm.  These two things led me to be teetering righ ton the edge and thinking that maybe if I relaxed I'd have a dry orgasm.  So I tried it... splat!

So my attempt to go for a month without ejactulating ended after 5 days!
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