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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 05:05:31 PM »

2013-08-02

Watched a couple of minutes of porn to get aroused and then shut the computer.  I was standing up (but usually "practice" lying down).  I kept a slight BoP squeeze and occassionally stopped, relaxed and drew energy out of my penis and up to my head.  The drawing energy thing seems kind of real when I've got my eyes closed, but as soon as I open them it's as if I was just imagining the energy.  I managed to keep energy out of my penis for quite a while, but as always, as i approach orgasm my penis loads with pressure.  I held off from ejaculating but no dry orgasm from any of my relaxing.

A question that occurred to me: I read somewhere (on this forum or his his book) Keepitup Johnson saying that he can have a dry orgasm by not going over the PoNR or by going over it.  So my question is: Do these 2 ways feel different?
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2013, 05:09:32 PM »

2013-08-03

By relaxing the twitch muscle and squeezing the BoP muscle I was able to get some semi-involuntary contracting going in the BoP muscle (a bit like the involuntary contractions of the twitch muscle which you get in the build up to orgasm - I'm assuming I'm not the only person who gets those).  I also probably got the closest I've ever got to orgasm without feeling pressure in my penis.  But eventually I went over the PoNR and was not able to hold it in with the BoP.  Although as I went over the PoNR I didn't really feel much pressure in my penis, it was like I'd kind of achieved the no pressure thing, but not achieved the no ejactulation thing!

(As you can see, the month of not ejaculating was not going well.)
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 01:12:02 AM »

You're close to success!
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 12:39:52 PM »

Hey Scampifries,

I'll offer up some experiences that I have found worked for me. When keepitUpJohnson says to lay off the ejaculation for a month, he means it. I've managed to ejaculate only three times in two months. I use to shoot three times a week. And these were times where I was getting impatient and wanted gratification right away and I passed the point of no return.. Now I don't hurry anything anymore. Just rubbing my balls and perineum can generate a great tingling that feels great. This is all done with no erection or semi-soft. When I breathe deeply it feels better, way after a session. Using porn is a trap because you need to get aroused artificially meaning you don't have enough energy to get aroused on your own. I know its tough and even I stray a bit, but if I do I don't have a session right afterwards and I don't fantasize or I block the imagines from entering my mind. It seems you are trying too hard because you are close and want to taste it and make it complicated more then it is. Believe me before I starting practicing back in August I never thought I would go this long without ejaculating. Now that being said, I have only experienced full body orgasms and not the dry ones that Johnson has. But, with patience I know I'll get there. Remember, we've taught ourselves almost all our lives to reach orgasm right away because of wanting a quick one or of fear of being caught. Now, you have to train yourself to get there slowly.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2013, 05:44:47 PM »

2013/08/08 (Morning)

Stimulated myself keeping the twitch muscle relaxed, eyes closed circulating energy (or trying to).  As I came closer to the PoNR I started to feel a swelling or contraction around the BoP muscle or possibly even further back (tailbone muscle?).  As I approached climax I thought "This is different" the energy that I was circulating felt more real than ever before, and the contractions around the BoP felt different.  I thought "this could really happen, this could be it".  I approached the PoNR thinking that I'd stopped in plenty of time, but then suddenly the orgasm was upon me, like a steam train that hit me by surprise.  Splat.

Note: I'd had a bit of a psycholigical change, in that I'd kind of got rid of the goal of ejaculation, approaching things with much more of a sense of just enjoying the ride.  Maybe I thought this would make things different, but clearly not!
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »

2013-08-09 (Morning)

I wasn't very aroused so used some fantasies to get turned on, but was very careful not to tense the twitch muscle which is what I would have done in the past when trying to get aroused.  Built up carefully, and again got the swelling/contractions in the Bop/tailbone muscle.  Slowed strokes as I approached the PoNR and also took awareness of my breathing (making it slow and into the stomach not the chest).  Tried several times relaxing just before the PoNR, but never managed to have an orgasm.  So no orgasm but no ejaculation either.  I felt like I was getting close though.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 05:48:32 PM »

2013-08-?

Didn't take notes.  Usual story though - ejaculation.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 05:51:53 PM »

2013-08-13

Nothing unusual, but as I approached the PoNR I squeezed my BoP muscle hard and moved energy up my spine.  I seemed to do this more effectively than normal, so I was able to bring myself much closer to the PoNR without going over the edge.  I did this several times, even to the point where normally I would say I was over the edge, but here I was still able to pull it back.

Each time I got to the edge and pulled it back I then relaxed once the energy was out of my penis, but no dry orgasm.

Eventually I went close to the edge, pulled it back, then relaxed and felt contractions starting - I thought "Maybe these will be dry contractions", but nope, wet ones!
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2013, 05:52:22 PM »

2013-08-22

Usual outcome!
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2013, 05:54:42 PM »

2013-08-23

When I went to bed I practived just relaxing and trying to let the relaxation trigger sensations.  I breathed in while squeezing the BoP muscle and then breathed out as I relaxed the muslce.  I then gradually got an errection as I continued doing this.  This was different to normal, as it was arousing myself using purely physical sensations, rather than mental fantasies.  I stopped before orgasm/ejaculation.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2013, 06:24:04 PM »

2013-08-24

Started with the breathe-in-contract / breathe-out-relax thing that I was doing the night before - trying to feel an orgasm-type feeling with the relaxation.  Then I gradually aroused myself and started stimulation.  I brought myself very close to the PoNR several times, each time squeezing the BoP muscle to stop muself going over and then completely relaxing.  None of them triggered an orgasm.  At one point I went *so* close to the PoNR, I would actually say I was *on* it, I squeezes for ages, knowing that relaxing would send me over the edge, and eventually I relaxed and wasn't sure at first whether I would be able to keep on stimulating, I could, so no refractory period, but I hadn't had an orgasm either.  I really don't know how it would be possible to come any closer to the PoNR without ejaculating; I was *on* it.

After some more stimulation, squeezing and relaxing I eventually went to the PoNR and couldn't hold it in and ejaculated.

This has made me rather synical of the theory that "orgasm happens slightly before ejaculation" which I've read in several books.  It doesn't.  I went so close to ejaculation that you couldn't have fitted a photon between me and ejaculation, and yet I didn't have an orgasm.  Clearly the orgams does not come first.  Non-ejaculatory orgasms must be achieved differently, because there's no way that they happen "slightly before ejaculation".  B***ocks do they.
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2013, 10:32:45 AM »

2013-08-13

During stimulation I thought about the phrase from Love Satisfies about "separating the mental from the physical" - I was able to get kind of close to an orgasm but as energy in my body, not as pressure in my penis.  But I was unable to turn this into an orgasm - as I got closer to orgasm the pressure built up more in my penis and although I experimented around the PoNR I was unable to orgasm without ejaculation, and ejaculated.
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2013, 10:38:04 AM »

(Note there's a gap of about a month here where I was abroad and didn't take any notes.)

2013-10-05 (Morning.)

Needed the toilet but couldn't be bothered to get out of bed to go!  (I think it's Mantak Chia's book which advises against performing on a full bladder, as it puts pressure on the prostate and can cause you to ejaculate faster.)  I aroused myself with thoughts* and tried moving energy up to my head, and while this worked, it never became strong enough to turn into an orgasm.  Eventually, through either impatience or inevitability, my penis become "loaded" and then quite accidentally the PoNR crept up on me and I didn't (or couldn't) hold it in.

* I assume I stimulated myself physically as well, although my notes don't specifically say.
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2013, 03:49:08 PM »

2013-10-08 (Morning.)

Started stimulation but focussed on moving energy up my spine.  Tried moving energy with my eyes open which does seem to kind of work.  (I normally only do it with my eyes shut, because it doesn't usually seem real with my eyes open.)  Started to get involuntary contractions in my tailbone muscle.  I got to the point where the energy felt like it could become an orgasm, but as I built it towards an orgasm the "loadedness" crept up on me.  It suddently went from nothing to loaded without much of a build up.  I knew the PoNR was approaching so I totally relaxed, but then I felt the emission phase start ...and then the expulsion.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2013, 03:53:51 PM »

2013-10-12

Very similar to last session.  No porn, didn't need the toilet, concentrated on moving energy up my spine and not letting my penis get loaded.  Got to the point where I felt the energy could potentially turn into a full body orgasm, so pushed it a bit further, my penis started to get loaded but I decided to carry on.  I got to the point where I felt that the PoNR was about to start, so I squeezed the BoP muscle hard.  But I realised once I'd done it that I'd done it too soon, and all I'd done was to trigger the PoNR.  No amount of squeezing was going to hold back the emission phase.  Splat.
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