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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2013, 04:03:28 PM »

2013-10-15

i had been practicing reverse kegels for the past few days.  I aroused myself with the intention of just practicing the reverse kegels with an errection, but then decided to carry on.  It seemed that by reverse kegel-ing I could hold back the involuntary PC squeezes, and somehow it felt like I could get closer to orgasm without ejaculating.  I went closer and closer and went over the PoNR trying to hold my cum back by RK-ing, after a few seconds I realised that I couldn't hold it back and so I relaxed and enjoyed the orgasm, but then for about the first 3 or 4 contractions nothing came out.  The cum did then come out, but I do think that there might be something in this!
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2013, 04:13:41 PM »

2013-10-18  (Evening, standing.)

As I aroused myself and started stroking I made a concerted effort to relax my twitch muscle.  I kept on stopping to re-relax it, and kept doing this, until after a while it became automatically relaxed and I could then continue stroking without it tensing and without suddenly accelerating towards the PoNR.  This is a completely different arousal state in which I can last much longer.  I velieve that the automatic reflex of the twitch muscle to tense during stimulation is probably caused by the childhood get-off-before-you-get-caught syndrome.  But once you get past a certain point without tensing it, the arousal becomes completely different.  My penis was rock hard, but I could stroke it for much longer than usual (about 15 minutes, compared to a usual 5, if that) without coming.

I played around with 3 different potential ways to prevent ejaculation: BoP muscle squeeze, reverse kegel, and relaxing.  Reverse kegel seemed to have less of an effect when in this arousal state than it usually does, maybe because everything is so engorged down there.  I played around to see what I thought would work to hold back the emission phase.  I went with relaxing... didn't work.  Splat.

It seems that it needs a way to stop the testicles from raising and emitting the sperm, rather than relaxing which doesn't actually provide any resistance to the emission process.
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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 06:19:45 PM »

2013-10-20  (Evening, lying down.)

Aroused myself with porn and then tried to repeat the same thing from my last session - relaxing the twitch muscle rigourously during arousal to reach the long-lasting state.  It kind of worded but not like it did last time.  Maybe I become too aroused with porn.  I tried just resisting the spasms that occur as I approach the PoNR, wondering if I could prevent the emission phase by concentrating on *not* having the emission phase, rather than tensing or relaxing any specific muscle.  It didn't work, the emission phase is just unstoppable.  Given that there are clearly very different ways of beomce and being aroused, I wonder if there are different ways of ejaculating?

Maybe it's a case of letting the emission phase happen and then pumping the Base of Penis muslce in between the emission phase and expulsion phase.  If only 10% of ejaculate comes from the testicles (need to check this fact) then the fact that they've emitted semen doesn't really matter, it's the liquid in the prostate that needs to be held back.
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2013, 06:21:22 PM »

2013-10-22  (Evening, lying down.)

Aroused myself making sure to keep my twitch muscle relaxed (stopping a lot to relax it).  I got to the point where I was sure I had entered the long-lasting state, continued for a bit and then stopped without ejaculating.
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2013, 06:28:13 PM »

2013-10-23  (Evening, standing.)

Aroused myself into the long-lasting state by being careful to keep the twitch muscle relaxed during stimulation (stopping regularly to re-relax it).  When I got to the point where the twitch muscle started to have involuntary contractions I contracted my tailbone muscle lots of times in rapid succession - this really helps to get into/stay in the long-lasting state.  I also contracted the BoP muscle with it at the same time (lots in rapid succession) which if I kept doing it made ejaculation almost impossible.  I tried circulating energy up my spine, but couldn't really get it to be strong enough to create an orgasm.  I approached the PoNR still contracting the tailbone/BoP muscles in rapid succession, and seemed to manage to have a *very* mini orgasm-ish sensation without going over the edge by pulling it back with the tailbone/BoP contractions.  Then I tried to do it again but going *through* the PoNR... splat.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2013, 06:31:04 PM »

2013-10-25  (Morning, needed the toilet.)

Aroused myself into the long-lasting state, and also seemed to be able to fully relax the twitch muscle without having to stop stimulation.  It was like doing the same relaxation as when I stop, but while still stroking.  Brought myself closer and closer to the PoNR going right up to it and then relaxing, but once I'd got to it there was absolutely no way I could relax to prevent the emission phase, it just seems impossible, and it also seems impossible to orgasm without getting to the PoNR.

Whaat?!  Is this multiple orgasm thing really possible?
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2013, 06:08:56 PM »

First off, let's look at what you've accomplished so far! I think you're doing great!

2013-10-23 "I approached the PoNR still contracting the tailbone/BoP muscles in rapid succession seemed to manage to have a *very* mini orgasm-ish sensation without going over the edge."

Far out!  You've now come closer than ever to the Point of No Return without ejaculating. You can hang out on the point of no return - you've reached a milestone. The mini-orgasm you had will get bigger as you gain control. You're a soccer player who has dribbled the ball past the middle defense, and then dribbled past the deep defense, now you're in front of the goal. You only need to get past the goalie to score. Do you give up now?  Of course not.

The goalie is silently asking you, "Is it possible for you to have a dry orgasm?"

This goalie is in your mind. Take a deep breath, close your eyes, and imagine success - imagine feeling involuntary orgasmic spasms while simultaneously holding back your water. Feel your success. No matter what it is, you have to believe it's possible to do it. Am I right?

The emission phase is a wave at the seashore - the emission phase is a surge of moving water. You can hold back your water. You've already prevented your water from moving. Now hold your water back with the least amount of squeeze necessary. One pulse of your PC's can reverse the direction of the surge from out of your penis to in, but I suggest you maintain a constant squeeze instead of pulsing your squeeze. Isolate the PC squeeze to prevent semen/water from emitting. If you asked me to pinpoint the location I am talking about, I would answer that I mentally picture the spot where my gates open and close (the muscles around the prostate gland). As I begin to orgasm, I am squeezing, I refrain from mental pictures of fucking a new woman (because that causes my water to surge). I hold my water back, I feel my orgasmic contractions begin. I trust, I believe, and I feel that my orgasm will be dry.

2013-10-18 "I automatically relaxed, and I could then continue stroking without it tensing and without suddenly accelerating towards the PoNR. . . .  once you get past a certain point without tensing it, the arousal becomes completely different.  My penis was rock hard, but I could stroke it for much longer than usual (about 15 minutes, compared to a usual 5, if that) without coming.


Fantastic!  Do this . . .  When you're on the verge of orgasm; relax into orgasm while maintaining just enough PC squeeze to hold back the water. If the first, two, big, orgasmic contractions don't pump anything out, you can relax everything and be certain that nothing will cum out. I suggest you keep in mind that too much PC squeeze will clamp down on your orgasmic contractions, so don't squeeze super hard if you want to have a big, dry orgasm.

If you don't reach orgasm, go for it again. If you ejaculate, don't give up. That's going to happen sometimes. You'll discover you first dry orgasms in between no orgasm and wet orgasm. Scampifries, believe it's possible. Trust that you can have a dry orgasm. I know you can. Imagine it happening.  Imagine holding back your water while simultaneously allowing your body to relax, spasm, and orgasm. Learning a new skill takes practice and imagination. You're close.

A toddler learning to walk falls down a lot, but he never gives up. You can walk.

Keep it up!

Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2013, 03:35:04 PM »

Thanks Keepitup.  I should re-read your replies more often.  I'm just about to write up another load of my diary entires, and am realising that I've forgotten some of the things you suggested.

I find that whenever I go over the PoNR return, trying to hold back ejaculation feels like this:

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I can squeeze with all my might but I can't hold it back!
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2013, 03:43:38 PM »

2013-10-26 (Morning.)

Practice session arousing/stimulating myself while keeping the twitch muscle relaxed, and continuing to get better at relaxing it while stroking so that I don't need to stop.  (Thus getting myself into the long-lasting state where I can stimulate myself for longer without accelerating towards orgasm.)  I tried to circulate energy up the spine, which was good but not enough to get an orgasm.  At one point I got towards an orgasm (but not necessarily close to the PoNR) and got some contractions going in the tailbone muscle, it almost seemed as if I would be able to have an orgasm and make my contractions happen in the tailbone muscle instead of in the twitch muscle, and I wonder if this is actually what people are doing when they have the "normal contractions" with a dry orgasm.  Dr Lin also talks about this somewhere(!) on actionlove.com.

I didn't orgasm or ejaculate.

So a question: when you have a dry orgasm and you still have the contractions, are they the *same* contractions as when you ejaculate, just with nothing to pump?  Or do they feel different?
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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2013, 03:44:39 PM »

2013-10-27

Pretty much the same as yesterday.  Getting better at the relaxing and long-lasting thing.  Stopped before orgasm/ejaculation.
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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2013, 04:10:37 PM »

2013-10-28

Aroused myself into the long-lasting state by continually re-relaxing the twitch muscle while stroking, occasionally stopping to check it was relaxed.  Once I was in the long-lasting state I decided to try using my Vulcan male stroker (Fleshlight-type thing) to see if I could keep the twitch muscle relaxed and stay in the long-lasting state with more 'realistic' stimulation.  I couldn't really manage it, so went back to manual stimulations.  I tried circulating energy, and got very close to an orgasm with it, but as usual, when the energy gets towards an orgasm it eventually causes my penis to become loaded.  It's actually harder to avoid ejaculation when approaching orgasm in the energy way, because the loaded-ness sneaks up on your at the last minute.  So yeah, my orgasm went splaty.
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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2013, 04:11:51 PM »

There were 2 practice sessions here that I didn't write any notes for.  I would have done much the same as the last few sessions though - keeping the twitch muscle relaxed during stimulation in order to get into the long-lasting state.  And then going splat!
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2013, 06:00:28 PM »

2013-11-16  (Morning.)

Aroused myself into the long-lasting state and did a combination of circulating energy, keeping my twitch muscle relaxed and contracting my tailbone and BoP muscles.  With recent practices I am finding that I can get closer and closer to orgasm without getting the involuntary contractions of the twitch muscle that I normally get leading up to orgasm.  Today I'm pretty sure that I didn't have any of them at all before orgasm.  I still ejaculated, so still had the involuntary twitch muscle contractions during ejaculation, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't have any leading up to the orgasm.  It's as if I'm building up 2 separate things during my arousal - my orgasmic energy and my urge to ejaculate.  I can now build up the energy *almost* to orgasm without building the urge to ejaculate, but then as soon as orgasm arrives the urge to ejaculate immediately rockets to 100%.
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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2013, 06:07:54 PM »

2013-11-20  (Evening, standing.)

Aroused myself into the long-lasting state, did a little bit of energy circulating but not much.  I tried using the reverse kegel, I practiced it a few time before approaching orgasm, to get the movement right, and then as I approached the PoNR I pushed out my PC muscles (as if pushing out a number 2), but it didn't hold back the ejaculation (despite having semi success with it on 2013-10-13).  As before I didn't have *any* involuntary twitch muscle contractions before orgasm.  None.

I think my arousal control is now much better, and I have quite a good understanding of the various muscles and what's going on down there, I just need to know what to do an/on/near the PoNR!
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« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2013, 06:16:17 PM »

2013-11-22  (Evening, started sitting then transitioned to standing.)

I aroused myself into the long-lasted state and then transitioned to using my Vulcan male stroker (Fleshlight-type thing).  Normally that would send me on a very fast trip to ejaculation, but I was able to use it for quite a while.  In total my session lasted for 15 minutes, at least half of which was using the stroker.  So if nothing else I've made progress in lasting longer.

I did quite a bit of stopping and squeezing my Base-of-Penis muscle and trying to circulate energy up my spine, and I tried squeezing the "million dollar point" (perineum) with my fingers to control the urge to ejaculate.  (I think it kind of worked.)  Then as I approached the PoNR I tried to squeeze at that same point with my PC muscles - like squeezing at the base of the penis but even further back.  I think I managed to reduce the ejaculation slightly, but I still ejaculated and lost my erection.

I feel like I learn a bit more with each practice session, and in that sense I feel like I'm making progress, but I still think I need some kind of "Ah ha" breakthrough before I crack this.
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