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« on: June 08, 2014, 01:37:23 PM »

Hi everyone, I'm new here. Found this website a few days ago and have lurked a bit. I decided to register and make a post to motivate myself to keep going and to write down what I have done etc.
So first of all, thanks for you all for being here and helping and sharing knowledge in this. Ever since I found out about porn and saw women having multiple orgasms I've had this sort of resentment of women because of it. As in, I'm jealous. I'd rather be one of them! Then a few years later when I lost my virginity and got hitched up with a regular partner who had multiple orgasms - ALL THE TIME... it just increased my resentment more. Eventually it led to me getting PE. I would ejaculate after only 2-3 minutes instead of 10-15 minutes and this made the lovemaking sessions few and far between... which just made it worse. etc. You can see where this is going....  We aren't together anymore and the last few months I've been dedicating my spare time to bettering myself in this field. I want to be in control and I want to experience pleasure and joy, just like they do. Sex without anxiety, worry and performance woes. Just pure pleasure.


So far here's what I've researched:

- The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia
- How to Make Love All Night (and Drive Your Woman Wild) by Barbara Keesling
- Maxwell Multiple Climax
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasms
- Aneros and prostate massage (Malegspot wiki)


I have practiced for months, doing kegels, reverse kegels (both with breathing), edging closer and closer to the PONR.
I have also used an Aneros prostate massager.


My results:

- I have much better control of when I ejaculate now. I can stay very close to the PONR for a long time, maybe even indefinitely if I wanted to. To achieve this I hold the PC muscle "inwards"... towards the belly and ass. Drawing blood away from the penis, thus reducing sensation.

- If I push downwards with my PC/BC-muscles as I go up to the PONR and beyond I will have ejaculate flowing out instead of shooting out, this is accompanied with relief but not with nearly as much pleasure as having it shooting out. After this I can keep masturbating without any arousal reducal, if anything.. it gets higher. But then it gets much harder to repeat since the PONR gets pushed faster and then I have the muscle contractions of an orgasm but nothing shoots out since it was all emptied before.

- I can experience "pleasure waves" (or P-waves as the Aneros community calls it), spasms and tingling pleasure that rolls through the body. One surefire way to trigger one of these is to use the Key Sound. These are nice and all but they don't build in pleasure for me.. they kinda stay the same.

- Using my Aneros device (Helix Syn), I've experienced pleasure waves and steadily rising levels of arousal over a long period of time. When I do one of these sessions it usually lasts over an hour at least, and is very pleasurable - but not orgasmic, unless I just masturbate the regular way with the device in. My biggest problem with this device so far is that when I try to "let go" and just relax... my body wants to pee, that's what it feels it needs to do. Even if I have just peed. To combat this and to feel fully relaxed I've tried positioning myself over the toilet... results: constantly peeing a little bit. :-/  I think I must be pressing up against my bladder or something.


To sum up, I've been able to ejaculate without orgasming but not orgasming without ejaculating. This is something I want to remedy. My goal is that ever elusive dry orgasm!

Thanks for reading and thankful for any tips! Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 09:25:52 AM »

Please say more about your experience here ...

After this I can keep masturbating without any arousal reducal, if anything.. it gets higher. But then it gets much harder to repeat since the PONR gets pushed faster and then I have the muscle contractions of an orgasm but nothing shoots out since it was all emptied before.

PONR gets pushed faster  
Do you mean you hit the PONR faster?

I have the muscle contractions of an orgasm but nothing shoots out
Does this happen regularly? About how many times in one session?

I support your research and your efforts.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 10:29:55 AM »

Do you mean you hit the PONR faster?
Yes - but only if I stimulate very soon after the orgasm-free ejaculation. If I wait a bit, this is not a problem.

I have the muscle contractions of an orgasm but nothing shoots out
Does this happen regularly? About how many times in one session?

Only once in a session, at the very end. Because what I'm talking about here is orgasming in the regular way without doing anything to hold back etc, triggering the refractory period.
But what is interesting is that even if I've emptied out all the liquid first so nothing shoots out at all... then the refractory period still triggers, but not when the liquid oozes/gushes out.
I've read a lot of theories about how there should be hormone triggers from the semen when exiting through the penis, but that does not seem to be the case here.
Instead the mere act of having the penis go through the familiar orgasmic muscle spasms causes the refractory period, liquid or no liquid.

Also, for clarification. It's only completely empty of liquid if I follow through beyond the PONR immediately after I've done the orgasm-free ejaculation.
If I keep going for a few minutes in between there will be some liquid build-up again that shoots out (not much).

I support your research and your efforts.
Thanks! I am pleased  to say I have purchased your book as well for Kindle and will be reading that next. Smiley
What you have mentioned on this forum about avoiding pressure build-up in the penis really resonated with me so I'm very curious about the tips in the book.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 11:34:43 AM »

mmoquest,

Keep asking questions and keep sharing experiences. You benefit the entire community with your questions and experiences.
Everyone here helps everyone else.

There is never one answer to a question. There are many answers and many paths. I understand your insight, wisdom, and experience with ejaculating without orgasming, but I suggest you leave that path for now, to follow another path.

I read your posts a few times. You are successfully having dry orgasms. Yay! Congratulations! You'll find more pleasure when you don't empty your liquid ahead of them. You're orgasmic contractions will be more powerful, more frequent, and more numerous with more liquid inside of you.


When I have lots of sperm, I have lots of dry orgasms before tiring out.
When I don't  have lots of sperm, I don't have lots of dry orgasms before tiring out.
I believe this is true for all men.

So instead of pushing the liquid out like you've been playing with, try sucking the liquid up deep inside of you.

Keep asking questions,
Keepitup Johnson

PS. Thanks for reading my book, and pay close attention to the pictures.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2014, 04:08:22 PM »

I read your posts a few times. You are successfully having dry orgasms. Yay! Congratulations! You'll find more pleasure when you don't empty your liquid ahead of them. You're orgasmic contractions will be more powerful, more frequent, and more numerous with more liquid inside of you.

The problem is I can only have the dry orgasm after having an orgasm-less ejaculation first... But actually, it's not really totally without orgasmic feeling. It does feel nice, just not in the same way, but I think it's because I'm not allowing the muscle to relax/spasm through it.. because I have to control it to make this event happen.
But back to the problem, the problem is that I'm triggering my refractory period with this dry orgasm. So I'm not sure it could be considered a real dry orgasm.

I did this again tonight actually.
Now I'm trying to "hold" the PC muscle in/up just a little bit all the time during the session... which felt good. Less pressure build-up in the penis.

This time I held the muscle up to the PONR, forced myself in it a bit and held on to the muscle.. I ejaculated without feeling it like a full orgasm.
Then a few seconds later I could force myself through the PONR again, feel the rush of that pre-orgasm event... and have all the orgasmic contractions, without any liquid... and now refractory period triggered.


When I have lots of sperm, I have lots of dry orgasms before tiring out.
When I don't  have lots of sperm, I don't have lots of dry orgasms before tiring out.
I believe this is true for all men.

So instead of pushing the liquid out like you've been playing with, try sucking the liquid up deep inside of you.

I feel like I am trying to do that now... by holding the muscle, pushing upwards/inwards rather than downwards/outwards. But maybe I'm not doing it right...
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 11:45:36 AM »

Dry orgasms are a little bit like explosions triggered by sparking the gasoline vapor rising above the gasoline in a gas tank. Wet orgasms (ejaculatory orgasms) are a little bit like blowing up the whole gas tank.

You are experiencing dry orgasms after deliberately draining some of the gas out of your gas tank. For beginners, it's sometimes easier to have less gas in the tank. One drawback is that the explosion is less powerful with less gas in the tank, and another drawback is that there are fewer explosions.

But back to the problem, the problem is that I'm triggering my refractory period with this dry orgasm. Yes, you're triggering the refractory period - with ejaculating and also with the dry orgasm. Your dry orgasm alone wouldn't trigger the refractory period.

 
When searching for something, it's usually more productive to cover new ground than to look in the same place over again. You're definitely doing something right - you are experiencing dry orgasms. Now, let's cover some new ground so you can experience dry orgasms without ejaculating first.
 
The penis can only contain so much sexual ecstacy before exploding, busting a nut - ejaculating. When there's more gas in the tank, this explosion comes on big time.

Ask yourself, "Where do I feel the most tingling heat and pleasure at the height of my ecstasy?
What am I fantasizing about when I'm at the height of my pleasure?
Have I ever felt my sexual energy rush through any other part of my body than my penis?"

There is a spiritual component to dry orgasms. You might want to join the discussion at www.thetaobums.com
You might want to re-read part 2 of my book. You might want to re-read the Tips chapter of Love Satisfies.

Like I said before, you're doing a lot of things right already. You're having dry orgasms. When you feel energy (sexual energy) in other places in your body, then dry orgasms become easier to have. When you're more loving (caring about her) than lusting (caring about your pleasure) then it becomes easy to move excess energy out of your penis. Pay attention to your thoughts and fantasies. What are they?

When you can move sexual energy out of your penis (without ejaculating), then dry orgasms become easier on a full tank of gas.

Please keep asking questions. Thank you for your questions.
Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 06:29:54 AM »

Thank you KeepItUp Johnson for your advice and your support. I think we're approaching the same conclusions with different words and from different angles.
Please read below for explanation of what I mean. And sorry for being so slow to post here again, have had some serious physical problems lately that have halted my MMO practices (see towards bottom).


Regarding questions:
- Ask yourself, "Where do I feel the most tingling heat and pleasure at the height of my ecstasy?
Depends, it's usually where I touch and thus where I focus my attention. I can stimulate myself exclusively on my perinium to get very very excited (but not orgasm).
But if I'm stroking my penis, then it is absolutely focused on that. When using the Aneros prostate massage it is felt deeper within and... more full, I guess? But again, nor close to orgasm. However, a very pleasurable experience nonetheless.

- What am I fantasizing about when I'm at the height of my pleasure?
Usually it's not about love, not these days. Since my relationship with it right now is that I have an ex that I don't want to think about and no obvious prospects for a new woman.
Instead it's more about lust - which I know I shouldn't be thinking about but it's usually the only thing that turns me on.
Such as being with a woman and fucking her, touching her all over, kissing, licking, playing around in all possible ways.
I'm also aware of when using the Aneros I am definitely fantasizing about being penetrated.

- Have I ever felt my sexual energy rush through any other part of my body than my penis?"
Yes, when playing around with the perinium or nipples I definitely feel it on other areas. It's kind of like rushing energy that comes from the prostate area all the way up to my brain.
I will say that I can also consciously kick this rush of energy up to my brain by moving something around in my brain. I believe it can be refereed to as amygdala clicking.
I hear some people talk about it like if it's an orgasm but to me the sensation is very different from a regular orgasm. It feels good, don't get me wrong. But on the scale compared to orgasm... this is like 2/10 if orgasm is 10/10.




I try to research a lot on this because for me I find that assimilating more information is always was leads to enlightenment in the end. I look for new sources, different sources, new perspectives and new angles, all the time. I have looked for personal accounts on forums such as PEGym, aneros forum, this forum and KSMO forum, reddit and comment sections and discussions on porn sites where people have uploaded their own videos of themselves performing multiple wet orgasms and dry orgasms. It's very interesting that it's all so different. Everyone seems to have different explanations or approaches and some say they don't even know what they do, it just happens.


Right now I'm considering this... Sexual pleasure comes from:
1. The mind, you activate your sexual centers by using certain parts of your brain, seemingly the areas that are also in use when it comes to emotions, etc.
2. Pressure build-up within the sexual glands and around them. This requires liquid to be present within the glands to have the pressure hitting the interior walls of these glands, this would explain why it's impossible to remain sexually active after losing all the liquids in a full ejaculation. Altough, some men are able to continue going after ejaculation but this could be explained with either 1, they don't lose all liquids, 2, their bodies retain the internal pressure through other means perhaps through gas entering the glands after liquids leave or they just having smaller glands in the first place that don't need as much pressure or 3, their bodies doesn't work this way.

If I'm right about the 2nd item on the list then maybe what I am doing is retaining the pressure inside my internal glands after ejaculating and then releasing it with the dry orgasm afterwards. This seems likely since I very consciously relax muscles and "bear down" (opening up the pelvic floor as if on the toilet) to achieve this orgasm-less ejaculation. In the pelvic floor there appears to be three main areas to control, the sphincter, the perineum and the balls/penis area. In this practice I focus on pushing downwards/outwards as much as possible on the sphincter muscle and a sliight downwards/outwards on the balls/penis area. I should also mention it helps a lot to breathe in deeply with your belly to do this.
No muscle spasms happen whatsoever and it feels like the ejaculate slowly flows out, almost as if through a smaller opening.

So what I want instead is the opposite effect. Muscle spasms and release of pressure, but not release of liquids. The logical approach would then be to treat the muscles the opposite way. Tigthen the penis/balls muscle as much as possible and opening up downwards/outwards the sphincter muscle. So far in doing this I have achieved three things: 1, coming faster, 2, not coming at all, 3, painful orgasm with ejaculation.
I think what this means is that muscles aren't up to the task yet.


Pelvic floor muscle balance
So here's another problem, apparently my pelvic floor muscles are very unbalanced. This is also true for my brother and sister (yes, we talk a lot) so this appears to be genetic.
I have my entire life had a lot of problems going to the bathroom, just like my siblings. Hemorrhoids, fissures, etc. Have all come from this and multiple medical interventions including several surgeries.
Recently I discovered on the PEGym forum the extensive self-reported research they've been doing on pelvic floor muscle balance and how it affects this stuff, if they are right, my sphincter muscle area is way way tight and inflexible. This is why I have so much trouble in the bathroom, this part of the muscle does not want to relax and is unable to do so. Also, the penis/balls area is so tight that I have ejaculations way way easy, sometimes with less than 30 seconds of penetration during sex.

What I need is to increase the flexibility/stretch of my pelvic floor muscles so it can hold more energy and burst less quickly. I think this also helps to explain why MMO can be so different for different men, we all come from different places with how our muscles are. For some it's from birth, for some it's from habits in life and for some it's because of their work or sports/exercise.


Current status
I recently got into jogging which put a lot of pressure on my pelvic floor which caused hemorrhoids to flare up again, badly. This is put me in a state where I have to recover fully before I can begin exercise the area and even masturbation is painful at the moment. Therefor not making much progress right now. But once the hemorrhoids have gone back down I will focus all I can on pelvic floor relaxation techniques to stretch the muscles and increase flexibility. It'll be very interesting to see how MMO practices will turn out after that and also, hopefully, I can live without hemorrhoids for once...
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 03:07:13 AM »

Despite my current health issues I decided to try some MMO practice last night.
I'm feel I'm now fully capable of lasting as long as I like, as close as I like to the PONR, thanks to relaxation techniques of different parts of the body. Trying to make my PC muscles be still, relaxing the breath, relaxing my tongue, deep belly breaths. In doing this I can go up to sort of a height of ecstasy near the PONR for a bit, during this I feel a small tingle.. or flutter, deeper inside, behind or below the penis/balls. This is a very mild sensation but pleasurable nonetheless. After this I also feel a sort of relaxing wave roll over me up to my brain and after some of those I feel like I could stop right there and be finished, without ejaculating. Because it leaves you with this mild sense of satisfaction.

These are very pleasurable experiences, but compared to my ejaculatory orgasms they aren't anywhere near. Even if I keep going and feel several of them in a row. The difference is night and day.

Another thought... sometimes instead of getting the mild fluttering behind the penis, I get pretty wild contractions in other areas of my body. In my legs, feet and best so far: my back. This is tension being built up in different areas of the body that I release and it feels good, especially if it's the back... it causes me to arch up and down (if I'm lying on my back) and feel that part of a regular ejaculatory orgasm.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 01:33:35 PM »

Currently having too much pain in my rectum to try anything with Aneros or similar. I'm afraid to use my PC muscles even since they contract the anus. I haven't been able to masturbate a lot at all frankly and no progress has been made since the last post.

Hemorrhoids and anal fissures are the worst.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2014, 04:27:57 PM »

Your posts are helpful. You are doing good research.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3036324/Man-Health-and-Multiple-Orgasm offers summaries of all the mmo techniques.

I read your post about contracting muscles The logical approach would then be to treat the muscles the opposite way. Tigthen the penis/balls muscle as much as possible and opening up downwards/outwards the sphincter muscle. So far in doing this I have achieved three things: 1, coming faster, 2, not coming at all, 3, painful orgasm with ejaculation.
I think what this means is that muscles aren't up to the task yet.

and your post about spreading energy around your body Yes, when playing around with the perinium or nipples I definitely feel it on other areas. It's kind of like rushing energy that comes from the prostate area all the way up to my brain.
I will say that I can also consciously kick this rush of energy up to my brain by moving something around in my brain. I believe it can be refereed to as amygdala clicking.


I suggest you focus your efforts on moving your sexual energy out of your penis (up your spine) and then relaxing when you're right on the verge of orgasm. Relax even earlier than you think you should. Stop all the stimulation and let go. Many men experience mmo by accident when they stop before they think they should. If no orgasm comes, just try it again. Less is more . . . lustful thoughts are like fire - hard to keep them in control. One lustful thought is all it takes to overheat and ejaculate.

As I mentioned in another post today, pay close attention to your thoughts whenever you are close to orgasm. Lust is like greed: always wanting more. A better ass, finer tits, more girls. Lust is fucking awesome for getting girls pregnant! Lustful thoughts cause ejaculation because ejaculation is part of the fight or flight (get it done quick) sympathetic system.

The human body's orgasmic function is part of a different system, the opposite system: the parasympathetic system, often called the tend and befriend system, or it's called rest and digest system - the tranquility system. Loving thoughts are orgasmic.  Sooo if the goal is to orgasm without ejaculating, it helps to slow down, relax and love.

Your body might benefit from a vegetarian diet. Try it for a month. See how you feel. By the time you've tried all the meatless foods in your local supermarket's freezer section, one month will be over!  

Inflammation causes most health issues. Relaxing, meditating, yoga, tranquility reduces inflammation, and so do veggies!  

Try it. I think you're body will like it.

Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
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