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  Date Posted: 09/23/2005 2:58 PM               
 

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    I was searching amazon.com and came across this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1420878727/ref=wl_it_dp/103-7707029-7063068?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=ICMCIN0PRERS1&v=glance&colid=1333B49Z7SFTI

    I must say I'm intrigued. 75 reviews just in the past 17 days, and 74 of them are 5 stars. What are the odds of that happening???

    It's either the best book on male sexuality ever made or it's a total scam. I'm just not sure which. And I'm debating whether it's worth $24.95 plus shipping to find out...

    Two things that I'm most skeptical of are:

    1.  The penis enlargement claims - ask any urologist, they'll tell you it's impossible to make your penis "grow" after a certain age, so I have a hard time believing anything else this guy says his book can do.

   2. The VIP muscle - I don't remember reading about the "VIP" muscle in physiology class. Where is it located and how is it different from the PC or pelvic floor muscles? Do women have them? Does anyone know?

   Another thing I find strange is that so many of the reviewiers mention how many orgasms they are capable of now, "I enjoy 20+ orgasms every day" "I had 15+ orgasms in a 25 minutes solo performance!" "I already enjoy more than 20 orgasms per intercourse..." etc, etc. But NONE of the 75 reviews describe these orgasms -how they feel, how long they last, or how they compare to ejaculatory orgasms. How odd...

    After reading all 75 reviews, I found most of them are strangely similiar, each making similiar claims of success, (MMO's, better erections, more stamina, bigger penises), but with very little description of their experiences. Maybe it's just me, but it appears as though this guy had a few people write a bunch of quick reviews, using different email addresses, in order to ramp up his amazon rating before the public really starts reading the book and posting their real experiences.

    I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. "Scientifically guaranteed male multiple orgasms" sounds pretty good to me! If this book is for real, it will certainly do a lot for furthering the MMO movement. But after all the money I've spent in the past on "new techniques" books and videos, I'm reluctant to stick my wallet out for this one just so I can post about it's effectiveness.

   The truth is, I'm already happy with my MMO experiences, but I hate to leave "loose threads" of information about MMO out there without giving them a solid investigation. You never know where you might find something worth learning and mentioning to others...

    So I thought I'd ask, has anyone here bought this book? Can anyone tell us about this "VIP" muscle - the "male multiple orgasm generator?" If no one here has read this book, is anyone willing to take a chance and buy a copy and then let us all know if it's the real deal?

    If so, thanks in advance for your contribution to the community.

    Looking forward to a response...

   




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  Date Posted: 09/24/2005 3:57 AM             
 

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Hi Pan,

This book you is indeed intriguing.

First, is the author Alan Ritz as printed on the book or Francis Raleigh as mentionned by Amazon. The fact remains that none of these people seem to be "Amazon.com's bestselling author in 6 categories".

Did you say there were 75 reviews about this book? Well, I've found some more, but this time the process is so strange I can't describe it. take a look: http://www.enotalone.com/books/006092621X.html  And they were all written between sptember 4 and 18. Knowing that Keesling book - you will understand - was written 10 years ago, this sudden interest is amazing.

Ans so many doctors and professors... Like this Professor Doctor Yoshihiro Hoshi, whose life was changed by Professor Doctor Mitzumoto from Tokyo, whose  the major discovery consisted of "spot[ing] a major breakthrough in the Sexuality filed- the emerge of "Scientifically Guaranteed Male Multiple Orgasms and Ultimate Sex."

What about a trademarked muscle? Interesting isn't it? Only a Very Intelligent Person could discover this one!

Professor Doctor Hoshihiro Yoshi, unless it's Yoni, tells us that " Hyper-activation of the PC muscle which occurs from "exercising" it leads to premature ejaculations as Alan Ritz proves with brilliant biochemical and anatomical evidences. The reason is its direct connection with the Sympathetic nervous system which manages the ejaculation process. On the contrary, The VIP Muscle is connected with the Parasympathetic nervous system which pacifies and nurtures the body." Dr Lin was right!!! The PC muscle leads to "premature ejaculation and penile shrinkage for not sexual orgasms"

A ggogle search for Alan Ritz leads to even more reviews, like these ones  http://orgasm.idoneos.com/, but still nothing about this best selling author.

Ok, let's google Mr Francis Raleigh instead... well, there's a Saint Francis Raleigh, so i guess this book is a godsend. Mr francis raleigh did write a beautiful adventure book in 1913 with captivating "Central American jungle scenes". If that Raleigh can still get it hard, I have to admit his technique are Very Impressive Per se.

If you want to get this fascinating book, just get a used copy because there're already a few available! It doesn't mean the book wasn't good, it just means it took the readers only a week to master MMO's.

You want to bet something? It won't take long before we see a bunch of new posters on this forum counting their orgasms by dozens.

 

 
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  Date Posted: 09/26/2005 1:04 PM               
 

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  Thanks for the additional researching Scam? and Romeo. 

  And to our resident physiologist:

  Thanks for verifying the existance of the VIP muscle!

  Can you tell us if it has any practical applications to sexual pleasure? Can it be used to achieve "25+ orgasms" in a row? Does using it induce/maintain a parasympathetic response thereby bypassing the urge to ejaculate as the author and some of his reviewers claim?

  Your expertise here is very much appreciated!




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  Date Posted: 09/27/2005 4:02 AM             
 

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I'm not a orgasm biochemist like Alan Francis Ritz-Raleigh nor a physiologist but to my understanding, the vastus intermedius muscle is simply one of the quadriceps muscles, as shown on the image.



I think I'm gonna have to exercise that third leg of mine to give my VIP a good workout!

The parasympathetic stimulation story has been described by Dr Lin (the Chinese sex engineer/herbalist) for ages. If you can understand Chinglish visit his site. I'm not intelligent enough to understand but this man sells herbs and other concoctions and people report by thousands tremendous effects, including MMO and FMO. The good doctor talks a lot about a mysterious tailbone muscle leading to MMO and everything.

What if Alan Francis Ritz-Raleigh in his book (sorry, the title is even longer than the name) was some kind of understandable version of dr. Lin's work?

 

 
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  Date Posted: 09/27/2005 4:17 AM             
 

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The reviews on Amazon are hilarious: Pr. Alexander Kostakrimoulochevich, friend of Pr. Gaida Constanteanu-Kovachevich or Dr. Dmitri Kroutchikine , friend of doctor Abrahimovic from the faculty Slabo Yerovoniev of Irkoutsk or Dr. Ekaterina Kingry, friend of Dr. Marilyn Barry from Minneapolis...

This book is doctor approved! Even professsorrrr approved!

 
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  Date Posted: 09/27/2005 1:13 PM               
 

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  LOL!

  You're right, of course. The reviews are priceless. Although I must admit it's slightly disturbing how widespread and aggressive the bullshit is. It's as if he's got a whole gang of Net Thugs following him around, inundating websites with their goofy 5 star reviews, and then going over to other authors' book pages like Barbara Keesling's, and doing this:

   I support Professor Dr. Yoshihiro Hoshi!, September 13, 2005
Reviewer: Dr. Christer Holmlund (Munich, Germany) - See all my reviews
     
I also think that the time for PC (ab)uses is over and every man who really wants to enjoy multiple orgasms within few days should use only the breakthrough discovery of The VIP Muscle in "Scientifically Guaranteed Male Multiple Orgasms and Ultimate Sex"!


  Hey that's a great idea! Maybe me and the guys at multiples.com should start going over to amazon and reviewing toaster ovens and bath towels by saying:

  I SUPPORT JACK JOHNSTON! THE TIME FOR MATERIAL OBSESSION IS OVER! EVERYONE MUST LEARN KSMO! ALL HAIL THE KEY SOUND!!!!

 

  And, in tribute to the good Dr. Lin, I offer this:   http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32517&highlight=lin

  I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

 




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Pan, don't make fun of this good doctor Lin for no sexual orgasm!

Actually I remember reading this page you posted and had a good laugh. But since you went to Thunder, one could also ask oneself if this PE think is not also a scam?

P.S. You know you can post a link through the "web" button from the aimoo toolbar.

 
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  Date Posted: 09/27/2005 4:26 PM               
 

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  Yes, well the whole "PE" thing is very interesting.

  Penis enlargement is certainly possible, either through horrific surgical procedures that often result in permanent damage and/or loss of sensation, or through various exercises designed to stretch the penis over time, which also are known to cause permanent damage (although perhaps not quite as often or severe as surgery).

  So while it's possible to alter the size of one's penis, this can only be accomplished through some form of deformation. All known science on the subject says that actual growth of the penis stops when puberty stops. End of story.

   You can't just "restart" puberty. Anyone who says you can is trying to steal your money (I'm looking at you Dr. Lin and Dr. Yoshihiro...).

 Perhaps someday stem-cell research will yield something promising. But for now, we should all just make friends with our "little buddies" and accept them as they are.




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  Date Posted: 09/28/2005 3:30 AM             
 

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Here's the book's table of contents posted by Reviewer Dwayne Vanrheenen on September 27, 2005 on Amazon:


I wish I had the table of contents when I bought this book. I think that you will get an excellent idea how advanced, in-depth, exhaustive, personal, solutions/results-oriented and reader-focused is this book from its Table of Content. Here it is.

Introduction

3 Factors Determine Your Penis Size and Ultimate Sexual Performance

The role of the neurotransmitter Dopamine and your liver for the production of DHT; The important preventive role of the neurotransmitter Serotonin for Premature Ejaculation; What are the 2 serious health problems caused by DHT; What are the natural solutions to the DHT's side effects- Prostate enlargement and Male Pattern Baldness

The 4 Requirements for Successful Restarted Penis Enlargement and Ultimate Sexual Performance

(Each one is presented in the form of requirement-problems-explanations-solutions) Requirement N1- Spontaneous erection; Explanation of the mechanism behind Your erections; The only natural solution within 2-3 days to Erectile Dysfunction (Impotence) caused by insufficient Acetylcholine; What to do in the other case: Erectile Dysfunction caused by insufficient production of NO/cGMP; From HGH (Human Growth Hormone) to erectile dilator cGMP- Explanation of the conversions; The role of HGH and the amino acid L-Arginine in the NO Production; The natural solution within 2-3 Days to Erectile Dysfunction caused by Insufficient NO/cGMP; Requirement N2- Bursts of Testosterone converted to DHT; Requirement N3- High blood volume and reliable cardiovascular support; Requirement N4- Excellent ejaculation control; Summary of the minimum requirements

How to Fight Deficiencies of the Top 3 Substances and Obesity

Acetylcholine; Serotonin; Water; Ultimate Sexual Performance versus Obesity

Advanced Principles for Restarting and Accelerating Natural Penis Enlargement

The penis is not a muscle!; The F.A.S.T. system to restart your penis enlargement from your teens; The VIP Massage of the genitals; The secret for a perfectly straight and massive penis- Prostaglandin E-1 (PGE-1); How to limit penis enlargement; The official average size and when you must stop enlarging your penis; Second major problem associated with a huge penis- Male Pattern Baldness; Follow the Priority Table

Learn from Hundreds of Horror Stories in Internet and Other Men's Mistakes

Killer N1- Penis enlargement weights; Killer N2- Penis enlargement pumps; Killer N3 (Most Popular) - Penis enlargement exercises; Killer N4- Penis enlargement surgery; Killer N5- Penis Enlargement extenders; The Iron back up- FDA's Public Alert: IA 7801; What are the known and hidden dangers of penis enlargement pills; Learn from the mistakes of the Porn stars; Learn from impotent men; The dark side of Viagra and Cialis; Learn from uncommunicative fathers and impotent teenagers who commit suicide; Little known statistics and stories every father and teenager should know; The solution to the embarrassment when purchasing condoms; The ultimate "smart" plan for teen's sex education, penis enlargement and the father's role in it; Learn from my meeting with Death

The VIP Muscle- Men's Multi-Orgasms Generator

Step-by-step how to find out the VIP Muscle; The role of the VIP Muscle; 2 Ways to intensify the Orgasms; 3 Positions for the ultimate VIP Experience; A crucial discovery I made during a vacation in Greece; How I aggravated the crisis after Greece; Step-by-step how I overcame my crisis

Directory of Vital Substances for Ultimate Sexual and Overall Health

Reference table of important substances; The sweet Aspartame - Deadly poison or not; The controversial amino acid- Phenylalanine; Tryptophan- the other controversial amino acid, 5-HTP (5-Hydroxy-tryptophan); The amino acid- L-Arginine; The erectile neurotransmitter Nitric Oxide; Choline (Acetylcholine's precursor); L-Tyrosine (Dopamine's precursor); Little known facts about (soy) protein; "Ecstasy" versus top Chinese herbs for great vigor, increased fertility and steel erections; Caffeine; Testosterone; Testosterone and low Serotonin- potentially deadly combination; Testosterone and Sex

Master Plan for Men's Ultimate Pleasure and Sex

"Educational" sex video series versus Porn; F**king versus love making- A solution to the modern crisis of manliness and spontaneous sex; A major proof for "Life is unfair!"; Unfair but fact- hot women demand without caring for our natural limitations; Oxytocin- the reason women should be on a sexual diet; Will your girl pay $1,000/Night for your sex service; Sex Business 101: Sell it to her! Do not tell it to her!; The Greatest secret of Giovanni Casanova; The daily Testosterone-boosting sexual activity; Scientific breakthrough every man should use; Your role regarding female orgasms; The good and the bad side of "Beta Assistants"; Genetics versus Religion and Moral- My solution; My health safety policy regarding oral sex; Protect and your financial health; Sex Business 201- Differentiate and advance your sexual services to "Outsell the Competitors"; What's next? Crucial requirements to reach the top in life; Sex Business 301: Make her emotionally attached to your outstanding bed; Do you feel hot and sexy in your underwear; Do you have an outstanding grooming 365 days per year?; Advanced Sex Business: Satisfaction and loyalty defined in the philosophy of #1 luxury hotel chain in the world; Conclusion; Bibliographical References


 
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I really think the author of that book gathered information from from Dr. Lin's site, such as balloning, horror stories, etc., from Thunder or other PE sites.

The author seems to advocate the following supplements, based on the information gathered in the reviews: soy lecithin, L-arginine (to promote NO) , saw palmeto (for the prostate), L-tyrosine (to increase dopamine), possible 5-HTP (too much serotonine would be counter-productive).

3 factors to determine... sounds like Dr Lin's palm + finger sizes to determine the lenght of your penis to be.

VIP Massage of the genitals... Could it be testicles elevation, descibed by Mantak Chia for example?

Little known facts about (soy) protein... isoflavones lowering DHT?

The last part of the book might have borrowed information from The Science of Sex
Enhancing Sexual Pleasure, Performance, Attraction, and Desire, by Kevin Pezzi, M.D.

 

 

 
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  Date Posted: 09/28/2005 4:05 AM             
 

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People on Thunder or elwhere don't talk about restarting puberty, they claim that by forcing blood into the 3 chambers of the penis, they extand over time. It would be the result of a stress at a cellular level. I don't if it's possible because i've never tried myself and since it has never been studies, you can only trust yourself from your own experience. That said, Thunder is a huge forum with thousands of members writing tons of posts and claiming gains from this "jelqing" thing. Either it's working or these people are all schizo!

 
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  Date Posted: 09/28/2005 3:07 PM               
 

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Pan,People on Thunder or elwhere don't talk about restarting puberty, they claim that by forcing blood into the 3 chambers of the penis, they extand over time. It would be the result of a stress at a cellular level. I don't if it's possible because i've never tried myself and since it has never been studies, you can only trust yourself from your own experience. That said, Thunder is a huge forum with thousands of memberswriting tons of posts and claiming gains from this "jelqing" thing. Either it's working or these people are all schizo!
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  Yep, like I said, the only proven PE methods I know of involve either some form of stretching or surgery. Jelqing would be an example of stretching. I was only referring to frauds like Dr. Lin and Dr. Yoshihiro regardnig the "restarting puberty" theory.

  And as you said, there haven't been any conclusive studies to varify the effects of jelqing either way. Of course, if Jelqing ever is proven safe and effective, I'm sure it will become a national sport over night. LOL.

  At a glance, I found an interesting arguement beginning here: http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA192284/

  And ending here: http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-13847

  What I find most interesting about it is that it poses a classic delemina between science and the occult. Science says "that's not possible." Then (relatively) small groups of people like at Thunder's Place, claim otherwise, at which point, all reasonable discussion goes out the window and a screaming match ensues:

  "It's NOT possible."

  "Yes it IS!"

  "NO, IT's NOT!"

  "YES IT IS!!!"

  etc, etc...

  I'm quite familiar with this scenario myself, because I've been living it every day regarding KSMO and "common wisdom."

  Currently, everyone "knows" that men can't experience multiple orgasms without ejaculation, only women can. And yet, I personally know and continue to meet men who most certainly are multi-orgasmic. Of couse proving that is another story. So on that point, I can identify with the guys at Thunder's Place. At least in their case, the effect is physically measurable. Orgasms, on the other hand, are a matter of subjective experience.

  Ironically, western scientific society  wasn't even aware women could be multi-orgasmic, much less men, until the early 1900's. And there certainly wasn't any pressure on women to experience them until around the 1950's when the Kinsey reports sparked a series of scientific studies on the subject that still continues today.

   So it's always been funny to me what "everyone knows" about sex from one generation to the next. Our bodies remain relatively the same, but the percieved reality of what our bodies can experience alters greatly by the decade.

   It's my personal prediction that within about 10 years or so, men will begin experiencing the same social pressure to be multi-orgasmic that women have in the last couple decades.

   The problem with arguements like these, is that both sides tend to lose sight of the point, which should always be to discover and reveal the truth. The guys at Thunder's Place may very well be increasing their penis sizes, but as one of them suggested, that doesn't mean Dr. weil is incorrect in saying that they may indeed be harming themselves in the process. No one knows for sure whether internal damage may be occuring from regular "jelqing" that isn't immediately obviously until much later.

  Of course, it should be easy to prove or disprove the effectiveness of jelqing. The results are physically measurable after all. So I can't understand why no one has put up the money for studies that would answer this age old question once and for all.

  All I know is, I'm not trying anything that could be potentially harmful to my little buddy until I see some hard data and statistics that confirm it's safe. I'm not saying the guys at Thunder's Place are schizo or lying, or anything. But even they have to admit that no one knows for sure whether long term damage is a possible side effect of jelqing. I'm just waiting for someone to finally pay for some serious studies, so we can all move on one way or the other.

 

  P.S. Thanks for putting up the Table of Contents. Now the book looks even more ridiculous than I ever imagined... 




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Pan, I really don't think you can consider jelqing as a form of stretching. You can stretch the tunica or the ligaments but not cells that are not made of connective tissue. Jelqing is something very particular that resembles erection.

Does jelqing work and is it traumatazing are the questions that need to be studied. And don't see why Dr Weil would be qualified to answer. Even a urologist can't answer the question since it has not been evaluated scientifically.

 
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Pan, I really don't think you can consider jelqing as a form of stretching. You can stretch the tunica or the ligaments but not cells that are not made of connective tissue. Jelqing is something very particular that resembles erection.Does jelqing work and is it traumatazingare the questions that need to be studied. And don't see why Dr Weil would be qualified to answer. Even a urologist can't answer the question since it has not been evaluated scientifically.
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  I found this as the first result when searching the word "jelqing" in Google: http://www.menshealth.co.uk/answers/answer.phtml?id=674

  According to this doctor, Jelqing can be considered as a form of stretching. I think this is an accurate term because the physical practice involves "squeezing" the penis in a way that stretches the tissues within.

  So we're actually just talking about 2 different kinds of stretching, one that is lengthening and the other expanding. Jelqing is designed to increase girth by forced expansion, i.e. "squeezing." You might say one exercise is "stretching" and the other is "squeezing," but any tissue which is being squeezed is by nature also be being stretched and vice versa.

  As for Dr. Weil's opinion, I'd say it's valid in so far as the fact that he's a medical doctor and he's simply agreeing with the generally accepted opinion among most urologists. He may not be correct, but I'd say he qualified to answer the poster's question based on his education and experience as a medical professional. He's been practicing medicine long enough that one can safely assume he has ample knowledge of the penis, and how it functions.

  I think that while Jelqing has not been evaluated scientifically, the mechanics and physiology of the penis are certainly well mapped out by now. There's not a lot of mystery there as far as most doctors are concerned. So to them, the idea of the penis increasing in mass after puberty whether through pills or exercises simply does not fit the current physiological model of what is possible, at least not without deforming the penis in some way.

  Of course, anyone who reads this forum knows I'm not one to blindly follow what the medical establishment has to say about men's sexual abilties. But I'm afraid that, just as with MMO's, the burden of proof must rest on those who practice jelqing. It's unfortunate, but again, just like with MMO's, there's no money in proving what people can accomplish for themselves wthout the help of surgery and presciption medicines. So there's no financial incentive for the medical community to seriously research jelqing and answer those questions once and for all.




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What's going on the book's page on Amazon is strange. 1 Star reviews are being removed! Here are the two last reviews, before someone removes them:

*   What is going on with these reviews, September 30, 2005
Reviewer: D. Horning (USA) - See all my reviews
     
These 5* reviews are fake - google some of the "Drs" who reviewed it. Also check the other books they have reviewed and most of them have not reviewed anything else! I would love to know what the truth is!


*  Fake?, September 29, 2005


Reviewer: sad sam "ss" (sweeden) - See all my reviews


This book gave me no more multi orgasm than any other books on the market.I dont think these reviews are real.I have seen that several serious reviews with low rate have been removed almost imidently after they are written.So I dont think this one either gonna stay for long.



I remember very well a precise review written by someone who had obviously read the book saying he didn't learn anything new from it and also reporting the book was poorly written. That review is gone!  Why?

 

Probably only the one below that follows will be kept:

The multi-orgasms- I "got it"!, September 29, 2005


Reviewer: Dr. Joyce O'Holleran (Miami, Florida) - See all my reviews


Here's what this learned doctor wrote:

"Think of your "VIP muscle" as your bicep. If you have to contract it holding 30 pounds dumbbell in your hand then you have to use its middle part because it's the biggest and strongest. If you want to make 20 quick reps holding 1 pound dumbbell then you can use only a small part of the entire muscle located next to your elbow. There is exactly the same powerful versus numerous contractions dilemma with the VIP muscle. "

It's nonsense, you can't chose to contract one part of a muscle! You can play on the strengh and on the amplitude, that's it.

Later he writes:

"Alan Ritz distinguishes three parts of the VIP muscle- lower, middle and upper. He does not suggest using the lower part because it is very close to the PC muscle. He presents his anatomical and neurological arguments against contracting it. If you want powerful orgasms similar to those during an ejaculation then you have to target contractions in the middle part. If you want to set records then you have to use the upper part of the VIP muscle. The orgasms will not be very powerful. However, they will be numerous. "

I now strongly believe that what Ritz calls the VIP muscle is Dr Lin's tailbone mucle.

"This is very simple explanation because as he has presented it, there is a great deal of biochemistry and neurology involved in the entire process. I will never think to explain for example the role of Acetylcholinesterase (AchE) blockers such as icariin to a client of mine. Even if I talk about this with another PH. D. I will not feel comfortable." adds Joyce O'Holleran Ph. D

I believe he meant "the effect" and not  "the role"! Icariin is the main components of a Chinese herb called Epimedii, therefore it has no role in the body.

I'm sure our learned author cites this study:

 

Zhonghua Yi Xue Za Zhi. 2004 Jun 2;84(11):954-7. Related Articles, Links 



[Effects of icariin on the erectile function and expression of nitrogen oxide synthase isoforms in corpus cavernosum of arterigenic erectile dysfunction rat model]

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PanDragon you said:

"The truth is, I'm already happy with my MMO experiences, but I hate to leave "loose threads" of information about MMO out there without giving them a solid investigation. You never know where you might find something worth learning and mentioning to others..."

what's the technique you follow, i'm curently reading Keesling's book needless to say that the book is superficially pragmatic, just can't have faith in it.

on contrast Ritz's book would've seemd reasonable if not for all the five stars funny reviews and the "how to stop penis from further growing part"

i appreciate if you guys can share your personal experiance on techniques and books you found usefull.

and thanks alot for all the previous posts, funny as well as informative.....keep it up

 
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Hey guys, almost all the reviews are gone today! Only 1 page left. LMAO. Look before it's gone too. All 5 stars of course.

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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful:
Teen's testimonial, September 30, 2005
Reviewerelso Ferrer (Atlanta) - See all my reviews
   
Hi everyone, I hit 19 years 2 weeks ago and after the crazy party was over and my buddies left I went to sleep. There was as if some plastic bag under my pillow. I checked and I found wrapped this book. I was drunken and very tired so I left it especially when I saw "scientific". After I woke up I listed it and was surprised. It was not that "scientific" or at least I could understand it. First of all, this guy really knows how to "live at the maximum" and he really proved me that he knows every substance out there that can help you to live and feel at the max!

He touches on Ecstasy and some crazy head teen has even challenged him in a forum to tell him something better than Ecstasy without the side effects. Well, Alan has been crazier to accept this challenge! He lists few legal substances and Chinese herbs which combined together "are better than Ecstasy" according to the feedback from that teen. Other reviewers-Docs are impressed from his solutions to impotence, etc stuff achievements but I was impressed from this one. I ordered the substances (because, you know, from time to time) and was blown away. My erections have never been even bigger, harder and my endurance was 45 minutes against 60 you know after which pill. Well guys that's achievement and his formula is *@#%# cheap and easy to make. I bought also three of the best sex toys available in Internet that he lists and now I can't stop using them. They are %@%#% good! He is unbelievably honest, open for his sexual life and amazed me with his incredibly valuable book that answered all my questions. It shows you step-by-step how to "live at the maximum" in every aspect of your life! That's why this is the first review I write and probably will write because there aren't other authors like this one- both brilliant and a little bit crazy! ;-))

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8 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
Why nobody talks about..., September 26, 2005
Reviewer:Cornelia Tauschke (Johannesburg, South Africa) - See all my reviews
   
I may live at the bottom of the world but as a very sensitive woman I have a lot more to add towards the reviews so far. Reading the book description and previous reviews you may get the impression that this is some dry scientist with big goggles who spends most of his time in a laboratory. Also that he has outlined with almost mathematical preciseness step-by-step plan how to achieve in record time and with minimum efforts and money "impossible" sexual achievements. The last proved to be true in our sexual life BUT there is A LOT MORE!

This book moved me to tears two times! The first one was because of the section "Learn from my meeting with Death". He is a "brilliant scientist" as many reviews write. However, he is also a unique man and a person who has seen and experienced both the paradise and the hell. I am thankful to God that his attempt for suicide has been unsuccessful and the image of his "spiritual mother" has been a model for behaviour enough to convince him that if he see no reason to live because his life has been like a hell he can live for the others just like her. At that crucial in his life day, he has found his "mission", which is to use his intelligence, life experience and amazing knowledge in science to be of great service to many people worldwide.

I live in a devastated from AIDS country where nobody really knows how many millions are infected. However, he is so fanatically concerned for "your best interest" that he provides a few sections dedicated to tell you A-Z how to be 100% sure that you and your children will NEVER face this deadly problem. This was the second section which moved me to tears. I am speechless because he thinks also for your children even if you are still not a parent like me. He is right that there is no time or room for mistakes or delays in providing a reliable sexual education to your children. He shares with you different scenarios for different levels of embarrassment from this topic. That's why his book is appropriate and written with both a teenager and a mature man in mind. I want to show you how great and noble is Alan Ritz as a person: "I'd rather you were angry with me and even hated me instead of finding yourself one day at your son's funeral and hating yourself for the rest of your life!" I can confidently say that he has taught for every single detail and in addition to achieving ultimate sex he provides sound and thorough advice for "smashing first impression", superior underwear and even "mesmerizing" bed linen. The book does not deal only with sex instruction. Everything else which has direct or indirect relation with the "ultimate" experience, performance, confidence, knowledge and even success in life is discussed under a microscope. This is truly The Men's Sexual Bible!

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6 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
The best book ever writen, September 25, 2005
Reviewerr. Dmitri Kroutchikine (Irkoutsk) - See all my reviews
Me and doctor Abrahimovic from the faculty Slabo Yerovoniev of Irkoutsk are now teaching the techniques presented in this masterpiece to our student in human sexuality. It has revolutionized our approach of human sexuality. This book is the most important scientific work that has been done so far.

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6 of 7 people found the following review helpful:
Simply stunning, September 24, 2005
Reviewer:Pr. Alexander Kostakrimoulochevich (Volgograd) - See all my reviews
2 Weeks ago, Pr. Gaida Constanteanu-Kovachevich called me in my lab about that book in the middle of a very important experiment on cytokines IL-4 and their implication on male orgasms. Gaida convinced me to postpone my experiment and to order "Scientifically Guaranteed Male Multiple Orgasms and Ultimate Sex". I got the book a couple days later and I was stunned by the discoveries Alan Ritz made. Needless to say that I stopped carrying my research since Alan Ritz discovered the secret I had been looking for over 20 years. I now enjoy as many orgasms as I want, up to 60 a day. I recommend this book to anyone.

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15+ orgasms on the 3th day!, September 10, 2005
Reviewer:Thomas Cunningham (Tampa, USA) - See all my reviews
My best friend called me 1 week ago and very excited told me that this book has helped him to solve his problem with premature ejaculation and has boosted his sensitivity beyond believe. I was very impressed and ordered it. Since my performance is still quite good I focused on the breakthrough VIP Muscle. It was the best day in my life when I had 15+ orgasms in a 25 minutes solo performance! Highly recommended!
 
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  What's going on with amazon these days?!? 

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  MMO Wanna be:

  I'm currently experimenting with several MMO techniques, but I learned how to become multi-orgasmic while practicing a technique called "KSMO" or Key Sound Multiple Orgasm. After almost 6 six years of practice, it continues to be my primary method for enjoying multiple orgasms.

  I generally recommend KSMO to beginners since that's what worked best for me. It also has a very supportive online community. You can learn more about it here: http://multiples.com/a/index.php/ksmopan

  If you decide to try it, I strongly suggest taking advantage of all the free support available at the website. Attend the live coaching chats and/or post questions in the forum. If you ask for assistance when you need it, your chances of success will be increased dramatically compared to the guys who try to figure out the technique on their own.

  In addition to KSMO, I also practice a technique called "amygdala clicking" which you can read about here: http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/sex.html  and here: http://www.neilslade.com/art/Brain/chap1.html

  I also find hypnosis and self-hypnosis to be a very effective and enjoyable way to experience and enhance multiple orgasms.

  Besides techniques, there's also a couple toys designed for prostate massage that I can recommend:

  The aneros found here: www.malegspot.com  and The Deluxe Crystal Wand here: http://www.doctorg.com/crystalwand.htm

  Both of these products can be excellent ways to enjoy MMO's. But I recommend checking out the Aneros forum before making any purchases. If you read the posts there, you'll see most people don't get instant MMO's when they start using these types of products. They often take a lot of patience and practice in order to produce the desired results.

  As for Barbara Keesling's book, I read it too, and I'm sorry to say I can't recommend her techniques as a reliable MMO method. In fact, I generally don't support any techniques which are based PC exercises or manipulation of the ejaculatory process, i.e. playing with the Point of No Return.

  After 12 years of searching for the simplest, most effective, and most enoyable MMO techniques, I have come to the conclusion that there are only 2 basic paths to truly satisfying MMO's:

  Relaxation-Arousal Response Training and The Back Door

  The Back Door method is simple enough: learning to gently massage the prostate with the help of certain products can result in intense orgasms without ejaculation that are easily repeatable for hours on end. Like I said, it usually take time and practice, but prostate massage can be a powerful source of multi-orgasmic pleasure.

  Relaxation-Arousal Response Training represents a specific overall approach to MMO's, which can be achieved with a variety of techniques. Most notably KSMO, Hypnosis, and Amygdala Clicking fit in this category.

  What makes this approach distinct and in my opinion, superior, to the popular PC exercise methods and Brinkmaship methods is that when learned effectively, it allows you to experience all the orgasms you want without any urge to ejaculate. Therefore the orgasms feel more natural and pleasurable and you're free to relax and enjoy them fully without being distracted by artifical control techniques.

  In order to understand how this is possible, it's important to first recognize some basic facts about male sexuality:

  1. Orgasm occurs in your brain, not your genitals. Ejaculation is just a physical reflex that often occurs at approximately the same time as orgasm.

  2. There are 4 areas of the male brain which control sexual response - one for orgasm, one for erection, one ejaculation, and one for all 3.

  3. It is possible to fully stimulate the areas of your brain (the septal regions) which create the feelings of orgasm, without stimulating the part that triggers the ejaculation reflex.

  4. If you experience extremely heightened arousal for an extended period of time, your brain will begin triggering orgasms automatically, without ejaculation. As long as you remain in a state of heightened arousal, you may continue to experience full-blown orgasms - with or without erection or physical stimulation.

  5. Ejaculation always occurs in a sympathetic state, i.e. an excited/tense nervous system response. By remaining deeply relaxed in a parasympthetic state, you can easily bypass the urge to ejaculate, even in the midst of intense pleasure and orgasms.

  So the trick is in learning how to put all of these facts together into one comprehensive technique. For example - Hypnosis:

  In a typcial hypnotic state, your body is deeply relaxed, but your mind is focused and alert. With the proper suggestions, you can be guided into an experience of intense sexual arousal while maintaining a state of deep relaxation, much like an erotic dream.

   With sufficiently powerful feelings of pleasure and arousal, your brain can easily produce orgasmic sensation far more intense and longer lasting that what most men would normally believe possible. And with the help of a skilled hypnotist, you could easily remain in a state of continuous orgasm for as long as you wish, without ever even coming close to ejaculating.

  This is one example of why I consider this approach to MMO's superior to the "old school" PC control methods. One is an attempt to force specific response from the gentials using muscular force and control. It's a process of trying to force a response by "teasing" the gentials. The other method utitlizes the full potential of your brain's ability to create orgasmic pleasure for you. All you have to do is relax and enoy the ride!

  Well, I know this may have seemed like a lot info all at once, and probably not very well organized either. But I hope it has helped answer some of your questions or at least given you some new ideas to consider on your journey to MMO's.

 






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Hi guys!

Here's something funny from Amazon. Note the reply of Alan Ritz himself!!

Alexander Voronine, October 10, 2005
Reviewer: Alexander Voronine (Ekaterinburg) - See all my reviews


My wife, a sex therapist in Ekaterinburg, has told me about a book that caused many troubles to her patients in her hospital, the book by Alan Ritz. I got curious and read it, too. Soon after i started doing the exercises advised by Dr.Ritz, i started having headaches that got worse and worse day by day. After taking some medicaments, I started feeling down often, and had troubles with my sleep, which also spoiled my mood. A couple days ago i tried to have an intercourse with my wife, and... OH NO!! - i couldnt have an erection strong enough to have sex with my wife! Thanks heaven she is a doctor and she didn't take it negatively. She was surprised, as i have always been quite good in bed and always left her satisfied. We had a talk with her, and i told her that i was following Dr. Ritz's advise. She explained to me that this book can really harm my health and body. She also asked me to post here so that people know the truth. I hope soon i will be back again.
Don't ever buy this book.

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The previous reviewer has not even read my book, October 11, 2005


Reviewer: Alan Ritz "Bestselling author" - See all my reviews
     


You can easily spot that the previous reviewer lies by stating that I teach "exercises". I have dedicated an entire chapter EXPOSING all those exercises, techniques and herbs that really can harm your health and performance. The also negative review written by his supposed wife Tatiana Voronine was deleted by Amazon because it also contained information which made it obvious that the reviewer has not even read the book nor may suffer from any "problems" because everything in the book is FDA approved and backed up by references.

My book hit the sales of many books in 6 very competitive categories at Amazon. That's why my competitors regularly post such totally misleading anonymous reviews. Amazon has deleted more than 10 so far. Yes, my book is "very dangerous" but only for my competitors. Yes, don't buy it if you are naive enough to trust their anonymously posted extremely negative and ridicolous "reviews" instead of the real reviews of people with credit card verified identity who are "blown away" from the numerous benefits my book delivers.

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I think we have a review from a man who read the book. It's quite informative. Here it is before it gets deleted:

Not working for me!, October 14, 2005
Reviewer: Steven Von Wald (Phoenix, AZ United States) - See all my reviews
I've been loading with the main supplements the author recommends and attemping to do exactly what he says. After a full week I'm now up to 3 grams/day Phosphatidyl Choline, 2 grams L-Arginine-Ornithine, a B-Complex multi vitamin, supplemental B5 (1 gram/day), borage oil, 2 grams vitamin C. The only thing I'm feeling from flexing my VIP muscle is greater low back pain. I haven't yet experienced the spontaneous erections the author speaks of. I'm not quite sure what the difference is between the VIP muscle and my glutes, given the author's description of its location. I've also been wondering why there were over 80 reviews of this book two weeks ago and now there are ten. Why do negative reviews seem to disappear days after they post? Why doesn't anyone post the fact that more than 50% of the sentences in this book have serious gramatical errors? It makes it hard to read and sometimes comprehend. When the author talks about making a "straight angle" with your body, what in the world is a "straight angle"? That's an oxy-moron. The book has no index, and the author provides no contact information should his methods need troubleshooting. I think you're gambling alot of money by trying this. It's not only the price of the book, but all the supplements that you'll keep adding to your diet trying to find out where your deficiencies lie. (...)

 
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He already sold 12,000 copies of his BS (sex book I meant)!

BTW, 12,431 represents only 0.0002% of the world population.

This Ritz is indeed the bestselfselling author. This infuriating man considers the other authors competitors... speaks for itself.

 

Important notice!, October 13, 2005
Reviewer: Alan Ritz "Bestselling author" - See all my reviews
     
Almost every day my competitors post a misleading negative review which Amazon's employee deletes. Regarding the one below, I checked for the "prestigious" university both in English and Cyrillic letters on all major search engines and found as expected... Nothing! They never think twice to fool you with all kinds of lies.

I give you my personal guarantee as a leading expert that you will be my 12,431st delighted reader worldwide. Click on the Buy button Now and follow my simple and completely safe instructions. You will experience within a few days second to none stamina, sex drive, "steel erection", multi-orgasmic pleasure and women's admiration only top 0.01% of the men in the world enjoy.

 

 

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So the author even reads all the posts... I wonder how many of them are written by actual readers and are not fake!!

By the way, how reliable a proof is the "personal guarantee" of Mr Ritz?




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I remember how I accidentely enlarged my penis for only few hours,if anyone interested... Once I was very horny and bangig without ejaculation for a long time. Finally I fell asleep with a latex condom still on my erected penis and when I woke up I took it off immediately. I got scared because within 30 minutes my organ got swollen to unbelieveble thikness, to the size I 've seen only in porno novies. That swelling stayed for a several days, during which I keep having sex feeling like sex god. What was that: allergy on latex or just prolonged compression I don't know. Anyone wants right a book about that simple method?
 
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threw mine away, October 23, 2005
Reviewer: Robin Hood "Fred" (SC USA) - See all my reviews
This book reads as if it was written by a public relations firm hired by the "nutriceutical", sex toy, and pornography industries with a nod towards safe sex proponents. I can't find any biographical information on the author to explain his scientific credentials. The book contradicts itself repeatedly. Should we really believe that a book about ultimate sex and daily orgasms is written by a man who claims he will not "consider having any kind of sex with (a woman)" before she has lived in his house for 3 months? Although, the term "VIP muscle" is listed as a registered trademark in the text, I can find no reference to the trademark holder. Instead of trying to resale this book, I've thrown it away.




1 of 6 people found the following review helpful:

its a bad book, October 22, 2005
Reviewer: the truth (will set you free) - See all my rieviews
Its a bad book because 1) The writing is poor. Mr. Ritz's first language is not English and it shows (and he chose not to have anyone edit his book for clarity or understandability). 2) He spends a significant portion of the book advertising for his other books (it reads like a web page ad for Mr. Ritz and all his ideas and (non-existant) books. 3) It doesn't work. I would have given him an additional star or two, and not begrudged the $25.00 if a few of his ideas worked. I have been following his advise for over a week (he claims both 72 hours and 168 hours, in different places, are necessary - I have surpassed that). None of the advertised improvements, with the possible exception of better climax control.

Not to sound excessively paranoid, but I wrote another negative review for this book and it never made it onto this site. Also, at least 4 other reviews have disappeared, 3 negative ones (2 "doctors" claiming this would hurt you, one average guy (with the same complaints I had) and one from Mr. Ritz himself (explaining the 2 "doctors")).

Maybe this review will make it and you can be better informed.
 
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Poorly written; rambling, unhelpful, chemical-focused content, October 24, 2005
Reviewer: Andrew Nolen (New York, NY) - See all my reviews
     
First of all, this book is very poorly translated. It is clear that english is not the authors' first language. The editor and publisher should feel ashamed for allowing such poor use of english to reach the bookshelf, particularly in a book discussing 'science.'

I bought this book to read about male multiple orgasms. Although the title of the book has "Guaranteed Male Multipile Orgasms" in huge letters on the front, this 206 page book (with six pages of references) has only *ten pages* on male mutiple orgasms. Furthermore, those ten pages have very little of use to say. The author describes the VIP muscle which is indicated as a registered trademark, yet there is no trademark holder; I don't know what's sillier: indicating a 'trademarked' muscle when no such trademark exists, or trying to trademark it in the first place. Can someone trademark human anatomy? The VIP muscle is simply part of the PC muscle which one tries to isolate and flex in time with your strokes. That's it; the rest of that section describes positions to help you out. Nothing about mental focus, what to do when approaching the point of return, nothing. Devoid of useful content regarding MMO.

Another very bizarre feature is the author's utter focus on chemical solutions. All the guarantees made by the author in the title (MMO, utltimate sex, larger penis, eliminate PE, etc.) all have chemical solutions. All problems can be solved by having the right supplement. I don't believe he's trying to sell his own supplement, and he's not recommending anything dangerous; but it's just odd (and in my opinion utterly wrong-minded) to have such a focus on chemical problems and solutions. The parts of the book where I actually feel like I learned something involved the intricate explanations of chemical/hormonal interactions in the body. The author claims that in a matter of days of taking just the right balanced supplement, the subject will enjoy the benefits listed in the title. And yet, having read it, I'm still unclear exactly which supplement I should take.

The author launches into emotional hypperbole-ridden ramblings and anecdotes about sex, relationships, masterbation, and suicide which are only tangentially related to the topic at hand; the incredibly poor english only makes the effect more humorous. I am very disappointed to have spent $25 (a lot for a book) on such a terribly poorly written, misguided book. It is of so little value that I may throw it away, because I can't think of anyone I can give it to that would have anything to gain from it.

I must note that several of the glowing, positive reviews for this book are written in the same broken english that this book is written in.



Mr Ritz' answer, always hilarious... Fighting with strange Russia and Iranian competitors. Also, I was right about the tailbone muscle... Thanks Dr Lin!

In response to my competitors below, October 25, 2005


Reviewer: Alan Ritz "Bestselling author" - See all my reviews
     


The book is professionally edited according to the universally understood British spelling and grammar. Your PC muscle is located right below your scrotum while the VIP muscle is located at your tailbone area. They are far from each other and are completely different muscles. "The VIP muscle is simply part of the PC muscle which one tries to isolate and flex in time with your strokes."- has nothing in common with the truth.

The so called "doctors" were supposed to be from the "prestigious" but not existing "University Gaspadin Glazounov" and "University Ibrahim Muktar" respectively in Russia and Iran. More than 15 similar sounding and misleading reviews were deleted so far. My hundreds of pressed to the wall competitors never think twice to fool you with all kinds of lies hoping that you will buy their books. No other author or book in the world even comes close!

To your best interest,
Alan Ritz
Illiterate savage who has spent 10 years of his good for nothing life to be able to write this extremely poorly written and greatest insult for the English literature piece of low quality paper trash which only an idiot may buy

 

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too many supplements to take, October 27, 2005


Reviewer: Rob Taylor "Rob" (Melbourne, Australia) - See all my reviews


It seems that in order to achieve what the author claims one has to take choline , Lecithin, Vitamin B5 and BHA, 5-HTP griffonia, Whey protein,l-arginine,l-tyrosine, evening primrose oil,vitamin B6 B3 and B5,phosperous, iron and zinc and Vitamin C. This concoction of supplements is too much to take everyday and unrealistic and seems dangerous as well. Its not clear in the book as to what combinations one has to take or if one has to take them all to benefit. Moreover the author claims that he stopped taking these supplements and got depressed and fat and near impotent in 2 days. I dont want to start taking these supplements and then realise I have to take them for my entire life or else..... Also the author has dedicated very few pages on the real stuff and wastes pages writing about how to impress your girl with silk bedsheets and underwear and gold chains round your neck. This is not impressive at all as not everyone likes to dress this way.Anyway I dont know if I should stuff my body with so many supplements everyday. Instead of not allowing this review to appear on this website or branding me dumb or a competitor etc I would appreciate if the author will honestly try and explain and try to remove my fears as I am sure so many other readers who have bought this book will be thinking like me. Mr Ritz if you could please respond then my money spent on buying this book will not be a waste.


Mr Ritz keeps advertising his book in the reviews section and keeps braging about the number of copies sold. Never heard about anyone like that.

A response to the competitor's "review" below, October 28, 2005
Reviewer: Alan Ritz "Bestselling author" - See all my reviews
     
Hello Steven or if you prefer Rob. Last week you were in Russia and Iran. Now you are in Australia. Wow, how is the weather there. I have to agree that your idea to list most of the ingredients in a multi vitamin/mineral formula is great. It seems that many people really believe that I am stupid, ignorant or careless enough to recommend anything dangerous or to load oneself with numerous supplements.

I do recommend a high quality multi formula and usually ONE additional supplement. It is crystal clear which exactly from the "solution" section" below the discussion for each aspect of your sexuality. I have listed foods and additional/alternative supplements, if you want faster/better results. "the author claims that he stopped taking these supplements and got depressed and fat and near impotent in 2 days". Please, excuse my competitor. He has the bad habit to exaggerate everything. "I dont want to start taking these supplements and then realise I have to take them for my entire life". If you think that you may become addicted to vitamins, minerals and amino acids which are present in most foods then I want to assure you that this is IMPOSSIBLE. All of my recommendations are based on US FDA approved substances and 110 references to leading medical, urological and research journals. This guarantees 100% safety, reliability and credibility of the provided in some cases scientific breakthrough information. My family and I have used each piece of advice with zero side effects and incomparable results for the last 10 years. If something is not a common food, substance approved by the US FDA or a premium herb with minimum 2000 years of documented safety history, it is not recommended in the book.

"the author has dedicated very few pages on the real stuff and wastes pages writing about how to impress your girl with silk bedsheets and underwear". I have covered A-Z the "real stuff". I had still spare pages up to my publisher's limit. To prove that I want my book to overdeliver both value and content, I wrote two bonus chapters. The feedback I have received so far is very positive. I am sure that you prefer to get 220 pages instead of less than 150 pages for the same money. Also, some of these sections are based on tips and advice provided by my girlfriends. I am sorry if my competitor doesn't like these valuable insights and bonuses.

In conclusion, the book will educate you for everything you will ever need to know and use. Learn step-by-step how to achieve significant stamina, hardness, ejaculation control, volume and shooting distance, sensitivity, libido and number of multi-orgasms with or without a partner. I am proud that I can guarantee that you will be my 12,431st delighted reader worldwide!


 
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Alan,

first let me say welcome to the forum. I commend your willingness to discuss your book with us "in person."

Second, you and everyone else here should know, I am NOT the owner of this forum. I am a humble moderator. Romeo is the owner, and a damn fine person too!

Third we have not done anything to you "behind your back." This is an open forum after all. Did you expect us to post fictional reviews at Amazon in order to express our opinions "to your face"?

Please understand, we are not trying to "throw shits" at anyone. As a community, we are simply (and I think quite understandably) skeptical of anything that guarantees MMO's. Heck, people around here throw shits at me all the time just for saying they're possible! LOL!

But since I started this thread, I feel it's my responsibility to be the first to answer your complaints. And while I'm not qualified to speak for anyone else, I think I can shed some light as to why your book has been recieving such harsh criticism here.

1. Your book burst onto the scene at Amazon with up to 80 reviews in the first 17 days, nearly all of which were 5 stars and many of which appeared suspiciously similiar. Personally, I have never seen such a rapid and positive repsonse to any product at Amazon ever before. Frankly it looked like a conspiracy!

2. Then there's the matter of the suddenly disappearing reviews. One day there's 80 of them, the next day there's 8?!? How on earth did that happen and WHY???

3. We noticed that the negative reviews in particular were disappearing rapidly. So some of my fellow board members took on the responsibility of saving them for the record before Big Brother made them vanish!

4. In all the reviews, I have yet to see one single person actually describe the MMO's which are supposedly so easy to achieve with your VIP technique. They only refer to the numbers of orgasms they have in a row. As a person who knows what it's like to suddenly become multi-orgasmic, I can honestly say if someone asked me about it, I would have a lot more to say than "I had 7 orgasms."

5. You keep refering to "your competitors," who are they? There are very few books dedicated to MMO's on the market, who is "competing" with you?

6. I realize it's not logical to give away your "secrets" for free, but can you explain at least a little about this whole VIP muscle technique and why no one around here has ever heard of it before?

If you would be willing to shed some light on the above points, I think we might be able to come to an understanding. However, at this point I think it's fair to say that any reasonable person should be wary of what has happened at your Amazon webpage, and remain skeptical until a satisfactory explaination has been heard.

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Mr Ritz, I didn't know you refused a 6 digit contract and that money was only a remote concern of yours. Neither was I aware of that conspiracy against you, where multi-million dollars interests and greedy competitors were trying to kill your book. How do you think these people were able to have the reviews deleted? Do you think they put pressure on Amazon? Fortunately, the MO Forum reposted that public material, so that these people can't prejudice your book. We decided to post all kind of reviews, not only 5 star reviews naturally, because it wouldn't have been unbiased. I believe that you have a great sense of humour like all scientists and shared a good laugh with us while reading silly reviews written by grotesque competitors who hadn't obviously read your book.

The MO Forum will always let you express yourself freely and defend your book.

By the way, are you aware of doctor Lin's scientific theories about erection, orgasms and so on? He talks about Serotonin, Dopamine, Gamma-amino-butyric-acid, etc. He he also the proponent of the tail bone orgasm method and promotes a lot of supplements like arginine, GABA, DHEA, 5-HTP, borage oil, etc. I truly think you should get in touch with this great scientist so you can share your discoveries to the benefit of mankind.

 
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Hello PanDragon,Thank you for your warm welcome! I highly appreciate it. I disagree that this is really a friendly/objective forum because I can read about my "hilarious" responses at Amazon and "infuriating" personality. I don't know ANYONE here but I am "infuriating". Well, that's too much!Thanks to feedback, I had anticipated most of the concerns and objections that may arise from my book. Many people helped me to make every single paragraph in the book simple, clear and valuable. All those people had the opportunity to read and apply in advance the recommendations from the book. They all were very satisfied and logically posted positive reviews. I still continue to receive positive reviews. Moreover, I have located plenty of people for the book I am writing now: "Your Scientific Diet".
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I am an author of a deleted rating. I gave it one star.  (See "Its a bad book" above) You can't read my review on Amazon because someone (hmm, Alan, could it have been you?) had it deleted. My first bad review wasn't even published.

The book is not "clear, simple or valuable". The author's command of English is sketchy at best. Important concepts are not even defined, like what is a multiple male orgasm. The process for finding the VIP muscle doesn't work, and as many, many people have reported you enter an "Alice-in-Wonderland" situation with a chemical solution recommended for every conceivable situation, but no clarity on what supplements the author recommends. For example, if one is interested in lasting longer, should the supplements recommended for solving premature ejaculation be used?

As for clarity and value, the quote above is very typical of the book: 1st sell some other product (ie extract more money from the gullable like myself), then meander around vaguely talking about the issue at hand (where did the Amazon reviews go), then confuse the issue at hand (now it is somehow his publisher that is removing the positive reviews, instead of Alan removing the the negative). And do it all in broken English.

So yes, Alan you are infuriating me, and you would be hilarious, but you have my $25.00 and I don't, so that hinders my funny bone, but grows my anger (to put it in language you might use).

As for those trying to figure out the Amazon puzzle: Alan admits in his "book" (its a printed web-site infomercial pushing Alan's greatness and his future books) that to attract women he will write a best-selling book on sex (the book in question, whose ridiculous title I will not type (my description here is still shorter than his title (including all these parentheticals)). Imagine that is your goal, and as the author you have some control over the reveiws. Further assume you can easily create Amazon review pen names - which you can). Now read the reviews. If it is positive and the grammer is poor, Alan wrote it. That gets rid of all the positive reviews. As of this writing, _all_ the positive reviews are in Alan's voice. I strongly suspect the review that currently points to this website was written by Alan to keep up the controversy (as the positive review scam is failing, now he is getting his sales through the "controversy" about his book).

 

 
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Gentlemen,

it seems to me that this thread is becoming somewhat chaotic with it's wide range of simultaneous topics - everything from corporate conspiracies to neurotransmitters.

In the spirit of simplifying the discussion, I propose that we all steer back to the topic for which this forum was created - ORGASMS!

Mr. Ritz, in all the exchanges I've read both here and at Amazon, I still have yet to see any descriptions whatsoever of the actual orgasms your book is designed to provide. Seeing as you wrote the book, I am assuming you enjoy multiple orgasms on a regular basis.

Will you be so kind as to describe your personal experiences with multiple orgasms? How do these orgasms feel to you? How do they compare to ejaculatory orgasms? Can your technique be applied to intercourse? If so, how would it affect the way a couple has sex? During a typcial MMO session, do you finish with ejaculation?

I think if you could tell us more about your experience with these orgasms, and how they compare to other methods, it might help us all understand your book a little better.

Thanks in advance.

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P.S. I did not realize another post had been made before I entered this one. To offbeatTom - thanks for stepping forward and telling your story (and making me laugh!). We finally have someone who has bought and read the book reporting in the forum.

Since we're on the subject - Tom would you be so kind as to describe your attempts at finding and using the VIP muscle? Did you experience any kind of increased pleasure or performance at all?

Your feedback is very helpful here. Please stick around!


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Since we're on the subject - Tom would you be so kind as to describe your attempts at finding and using the VIP muscle? Did you experience any kind of increased pleasure or performance at all?

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Well the VIP muscle is what has been surmised in this forum - (and I therefore don't feel like I am stealing any potential sales from Mr. Ritz; despite my severe disappointment with the book - I don't want to steal any sales from Mr. Ritz that he tricks people into fair-and-square). The VIP muscle is apparently just south of the tailbone (surprise, Mr. Ritz is not very clear about exactly where it is, north of the anus and south of the tailbone is what I got from the text. I have not read Dr Lin's (sp?) material, but when I read the post comparing Mr. Ritz's material with that of Dr. Lin's I nodded for about 95% of it. So that was a complete bust for me.

I have found my ability to avoid the point of now return has improved, going from maybe one or two approaches to 6 or 7 to even deciding not to go to the point of no return. I am not sure if that is from Mr. Ritz's strong statements about the relative "badness" of male ejaculation (he says someone over 35 should not do so more than once a week), which changed my perception of the whole thing, or if it is one of the many supplements he recommends (I have mentioned my gullability above, and I really wanted Mr. Ritz to have something to offer, so I am following his program as I understand it (for one month)).

And there is one possibility I had not previously considered: Perhaps the mind-blowing orgasms that Mr. Ritz speaks of affect the language center of the brain, and everyone who writes a positive review on Amazon is a successful graduate of the Ritz program and communicates with the unfortunate side effect of speaking in broken English. If that the case, please watch my posts, and when I start speak funny. You will then be knowing Mr. Ritz is amazing all powerful scientist he claims and doubters are competitors in one of 6 categories, speaking only Queen's English..., etc.)
 
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Mr Ritz is more conservative than our good Dr Lin when it comes to ejaculation frequency! Read:

Dr. Lin: 1/10/2001>   
It seems you have too much testosterone accumulated in the testicles tissues and excessive sperms in the ejaculation ducts/epididymis/ductus deferens. You have to burn and remove the excessive out by orgasm ejaculation.
If you want to keep your current practice, ejaculating 4 times a month, and give your wife several orgasms every time, you have to increase your green vegetable and soy intake to unbind the testosterone from the tissues and slow down the sperm production.
Actually, you can ejaculate 2 or 3 times a week (a conservative ejaculation frequency for men at age 40) and have sex every day since you are only 39.
This will also increase your vitality and stimulate your testosterone production as well.
Here is how to adjust your ejaculation frequency:
You must have a harder morning erection after you ejaculate in the previous night, that is ejaculation promotes a harder morning erection.

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Thanks for helping to de-mystify the VIP technique. I think I'm beginning to understand it now. It sounds like yet another variation on an old theme - PC muscle control mixed with manipulation of the Point of No Return. Not much new material there.

If I'm wrong, please let me know. But it appears to be the same old Tantra/Mantak Chia/Brinkmanship method in a different package, topped with a shiny new bow.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Have you tried any other MMO methods to compare it with?


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offbeatTomThanks for helping to de-mystify the VIP technique. I think I'm beginning to understand it now. It sounds like yet another variation on an old theme - PC muscle control mixed with manipulation of the Point of No Return. Not much new material there.If I'm wrong, please let me know. But it appears to be the same old Tantra/Mantak Chia/Brinkmanship method in a different package, topped with a shiny new bow.I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Have you tried any other MMO methods to compare it with?
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Hmm. I think you mostly give Alan too much credit, but then perhaps not enough. There is no PC muscle control mentioned, in fact he recommends strongly not to use the PC muscle and even has a test to determine if you are using the PC muscle or the VIP muscle. Two problems here in regards to me satisfying your curiousity. One is that I don't have any frame of reference in the MMO arena - I started with Alan's book. The 2nd is that Alan doesn't really discuss what a MMO is - other than to say that 15 minutes of fiddling with the VIP should bring you oodles of pleasure (he says you need 72 or 168 hours to fully master the technique, allow the supplments to build up and to strengthen the VIP muscle).

Now the possibilty exists, like Kevin with the KSMO process, that this just doesn't work for me now, and that it would work for others, or for me in the future. But I don't see an Alan Ritz website with real conversation from real people and to my mind if you have something real you put it out there and people will pay you for your full expertise. If you don't have anything, then you switch over to marketing-only, as we saw with the extreme manipulation of the Amazon web site (by the way I have complained to Amazon's customer service, I don't expect much but I will keep this site informed (as the only site that has the authoritive and complete reviews of the book)).

So Alan where is your website where you use your marketing skills to sell your book and clarify those tiny issues that escaped your intense editing effort, and maybe even help those who had faith in you and your book to achieve the results that you "scientifically guaranteed"?

 
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Mr Ritz, I thought you would be interested to know more about Dr lin's tailbone muscle induced orgasms since you're overworked. Here's what he wrote on his site:

Reader: 1/16/2003>Dear Dr. Lin
I Have learned to apply Your chi-kong. When I orgasm, I feel the contractions in my tail bone ascending and pounding the back of my head. My head rolls back and compresses my neck automatically (involuntarily). Then my whole body convulses about 5 or 6 times, then completely vibrates. However, as I put a light inhaling pressure on my bladder, I still get a couple of drops to drip out. I feel I have done it correct because the drops do not ejaculate, (bypass the glandular spasms). Is this just cowpers fluid trapped in the urethra? Thank you for every thing, Your system is revolutionary!



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Dr. Lin: 01/16/2003> You did it right.  The traveling of orgasmic waves sent by the tailbone-anal contraction  runs up to the neck and rear brain will automatically cause the head and neck to roll backward and compress the spine. You will become very awake after orgasm or ejaculation. Men and women have the same sexual orgasmic responses in the neck area due to the stimulation of the vagus nerves at the base of the brain and in the neck.

A couple drops of precom is natural when the ballooning , hard penis is constrained by the limited foreskin and then exerts a pressure against the Cowper's (bulbourethral) glands. However, it won't cause premature ejaculation in this stage where the penile/urethral nervous transmission is intercepted by the explosive, internal penile blood pressure due to the ballooning effect.  If the penis is continuous to expand and then exert a pressure against the prostate, then you will feel about to come. If you come, you will experience explosive orgasmic waves in the tailbone and anal muscles paced by the prostate contraction.

 
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Dear Mr Ritz, you forgot in your last post that the forum is about MO's! I don't know who this Steven Lamm is and i'm not sure the readers are particularly interested in him.

Back to MMO's, could you tell us if Dr Lin's tailbone muscle is the same as Mr Ritz' VIP muscle? Also, why did you register a muscle, and in what category falls a muscle, you know like meat product, etc. ?

 
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PanDragon, if you expect from a competitor to give you an objective and accurate description of the VIP muscle and the results from using it, think again.

Alan, exactly how am I "competing" with you? I have nothing to sell. I am neither an author nor a website owner. I am simply trying to understand what makes your VIP technique different from PC methods. I think that's a fair and reasonable curiosity, don't you?

I asked you some very simple questions regarding your guaranteed male multiple orgasms. None of them would require you to give away any "secrets," so there should be no harm in answering them. You seem to have overlooked them, so I'll just re-print them for you:

"Will you be so kind as to describe your personal experiences with multiple orgasms? How do these orgasms feel to you? How do they compare to ejaculatory orgasms? Can your technique be applied to intercourse? If so, how would it affect the way a couple has sex? During a typcial MMO session, do you finish with ejaculation?"

Now, if your book provides men with wonderful orgasms, wouldn't it be helpful to your business if you would describe how they feel?

So far, I still have not seen anyone, anywhere, describe how these VIP orgasms are supposed to feel. Where is the harm in your describing the sensations these orgasms give you? I would think you would be happy to do so, as it offers you a chance for free advertising.

After all, isn't the whole point of having male multiple orgasms to increase pleasure? Why not tell everyone about the pleasure you technique can provide? So far no one else has...

The longer I hear about your book, and your competitors, and the conspiracies against you, and absolutely NOTHING about these orgasms, the more it appears you are avoiding the subject.

I think everyone here, including folks who might be interested in buying your book, would like to hear more about how it can make them feel. Why not tell us about THAT?!?


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Mr Ritz, I really can't delete offbeatTom's posts because he didn't infringe the board's rules by any mean. I can however ask him to be kind enough to register and explain himself regarding your complaints.

But we are mostly interested in the questions Pandragon asked you. I think you'll get even more buyers if you answer these questions.

I noticed that you had a great sense of humour and I appreciate it!

 
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Mr Ritz, instead of saying the board is unfair to you, you should aknowledge the fact you're free to express yourself (meaning for you promoting your book).

But since i'm more interested in the subject of MMO than in politics, I'll comment on what you wrote.

You wrote: "However, every time you ejaculate the released in your blood stream Serotonin converts into Melatonin, which causes drowsiness and dizziness"

I wonder where you got this idea?

The conversion of serotonine to melatonin requires 2 enzymes : theSNAT (serotonin-N-acetyltransferase) which which converts the serotonin to N-acetylserotonin, and HIOMT (hydroxyindole-O-methyltrasferase) which trasfers a methyl group from S-denosylmethionine to the 5-hydroxyl of the N-acetylserotonin. The activities of both enzymes rise only soon after the onset of darkness.

The drowsiness is probably due to the release of the hormone prolactin.

You wrote: "It is true that I have given two of its precursors. Unfortunately, the US FDA is crystal clear- tryptophan and 5-HTP are potentially dangerous! If you take 5-HTP for more than 1 month you RISK A LOT to develop eosinophilia-myalgia!"

Eosinophilia-myalgia is a rare disease that has been linked with the ingestion of L-tryptophan made by a single manufacturer back in 1989. There hasn't been a single case of eosinophilia-myalgia associated with the ingestion of L-tryptophan since then. 5-HTP has never been associated with this rare condition.

 

 
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"Please Romeo, don't write ANYTHING you are not 100% sure. This type of myalgia is a very nasty one."

Are you kidding me? Since you're a scientific, let's only deal with published peer-reviewed articles, ok.

The safety of 5-htp has been established in regard to myalgia. End of story.

Review of its safety:

Toxicol Lett. 2004 Apr 15;150(1):111-22.

Safety of 5-hydroxy-L-tryptophan.

Das YT,  Bagchi M,  Bagchi D,  Preuss HG.

ISSI Laboratories Inc., 515 Blue Ridge Avenue, Piscataway, NJ 08854, USA.

5-Hydroxy-L-tryptophan (5-HTP) is the immediate precursor in the biosynthesis of 5-hydroxy-tryptamine (5-HT; serotonin) from the essential amino acid L-tryptophan (L-Trp). The use of L-Trp as a dietary supplement was discontinued in 1989 due to an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS) that was traced to a contaminated synthetic L-Trp from a single manufacturer. 5-HTP has since become a popular dietary supplement in lieu of the removal of L-Trp from the market. Because of its chemical and biochemical relationship to L-Trp, 5-HTP has been under vigilance by consumers, industry, academia and government for its safety. However, no definitive cases of toxicity have emerged despite the worldwide usage of 5-HTP for last 20 years, with the possible exception of one unresolved case of a Canadian woman. Extensive analyses of several sources of 5-HTP have shown no toxic contaminants similar to those associated with L-Trp, nor the presence of any other significant impurities. A minor chromatographic peak (peak X) reported in some 5-HTP samples lacks credibility due to chromatographic artifacts and infinitesimal concentrations, and has raised undue speculations concerning its chemistry and toxicity.

 

Now, can you provide studies to support what you wrote: "Sex requires activation of the Sympathetic nervous system which is done with the help of Serotonin. Once it's over some of the Serotonin can be re-uptaken but significant amount IS converted into Melatonin."?




 
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Well, that does it for me. This conversation is going nowhere. I don't know if the reason for this is due to a language barrier, but Mr. Ritz I have to say that the longer you post replies, the more obvious it becomes that you are incapable of staying on topic or giving direct answers to direct questions.

"Will you be so kind as to describe your personal experiences with multiple orgasms? How do these orgasms feel to you?"

Certainly. My readers and even I describe the feeling as "euphoric". This is really the best "description". The feeling from the contractions of the VIP muscle depends on the used part. I distinguish three parts- lower, middle and upper. I DO NOT recommend using the lower part because it is close to the PC muscle. I DO NOT recommend using your PC muscle at all! If you want "powerful" orgasms then you have to use the middle part of the VIP muscle. If you want great number of orgasms (15+) but with lower intensity then you have to contract the upper part. The "VIP muscle" is my simplified, copyrighted reference to a small group of muscles at your tailbone area. It is impossible to isolate each one of them because they are very small. So if you go for powerful orgasms then you will feel distinguishable "orgasmic-like contractions" at your tailbone area. If you go for great number the contractions will express mostly as an overall "euphoric feeling" coming from the tailbone area. I think that this is a good description.

I actually think it's a rather vague description. Instead of talking about feelings, you mostly talked about muscles. In all of these sentences, you offered only a few descriptive words, "euphoric," "powerful," "lower intensity," "euphoric feeling," and "orgasmic-like contractions." It still does not give a clear picture of how these orgasms would really feel.

"Can your technique be applied to intercourse? "

PanDragon, can your PC techniques be applied to intercourse?

For the record, I neither use or promote PC techniques.

"Now, if your book provides men with wonderful orgasms, wouldn't it be helpful to your business if you would describe how they feel? "

I don't know. Why you are so focused on the orgasms.

Are you serious? Why am I so focused on the orgasms? Perhaps I'm trying to keep this conversation associated with orgasms because we just happened to be in a Male Multiple Orgasm Discussion Forum.

This is only 1/6 of my book.

If male multiple orgasms are only 1/6 of your book, then why did you decide to title it: "Scientifically Guaranteed MALE MULTIPLE ORGASMS"Huh


There is A LOT MORE if you want to enjoy the ultimate sex!

Well, whatever "ultimate sex" is, our interest here as a community is in how your book pertains to male multiple orgasms. And thus far, you had very little to say on that subject. Your readers apparently have very little to say about it as well.

The reason I have repeatedly asked you direct questions about the orgasms associated with your book, is so you would have a fair chance to convince people that you truly are multi-orgasmic and that your book can help other men to be multi-orgasmic as well. But you appear reluctant to discuss these multiple orgasms in detail. And so far NO ONE (out of over 12,000 readers) who has read book has stepped forward to give detailed descriptions of these multiple orgasms either.

I feel I have done my best to give you every opportunity to convince people that you are the real deal. But at this point, the only logical conclusion I can arrive at is that your book does not lead men to multiple orgasms. If it did, surely someone, if not yourself, would have stepped up by now to describe in detail how it feels to enjoy those multiple orgasms which your book supposedly provides.

Gentlemen, I've had my fill of hormones, neurotransmitters, physiology, corporate conspiracies, publishers, fraudulent reviews, and financial sabotage.

If anyone wants to talk about ORGASMS, I'll be out back smoking a cigarette...



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Mr Ritz reminds me of Dr Lin and his woolly explanations. I've spent enough time trying to get something from this man and his book. I'm not longer contributing to this thread.
 
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Thank you so much to pandragon, romeo, tom for shedding light on this book for me.

I had actually added it to my shopping cart before I started searching for the truth and found your page - very illuminating - if only i had seen mr. ritz's posts, i would have enjoyed the dialogue much more. Too bad he can't stand by any of his words.

I did want to share some of my knowledge/ experience:

So you know where I am coming from - I started PE and MMO research/ work about 5 years ago. I was only about 4.75 inches and enjoyed a very short  time in bed. I got about .25 inches using jelqing in one week. I then met a girl who became my girlfriend for 5 years. Unfortunately, she was not sexually adventurous and didn't really want me any bigger or lasting any longer (she has an extremely sensitive vagina). Now she's gone and I'm starting up again (still have that extra .25 inches, btw, w/ no more exercises).

During the 5 years, I got very interested in chi kung/ qigong and found one of Chia's Certified Instructors in my town. I have since taken almost all of  Chia's qigong system (www.universaltao.com) and actually began studying Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Acupuncture.

It seems that many people (including those here) casually dismiss Chia's work  as simply a precursor to all of the books that have come out since. I'm sorry, but you are sorely mistaken. Taoist Secrets of Love must be viewed in the context of the entire system. For certain (and I'm sure everyone who has read it will agree), is that Chia's book is poorly written. But if you spend time studying the other qigong he teaches(and chinese medicine), it becomes much clearer.

Chia only promotes PC muscle exercises as a preliminary training to moving your sexual energy with your mind. Actually, if you study  the Iron Shirt system, you will find that Chia is a large proponent of the "tailbone muscle." In Iron Shirt, you learn to differentiate and control the front/left/right/back parts of the anus separately. The back part of the anus (tailbone muscle) is actually an acupunture point called DU-1 (or GV-1). Contraction of the PC muscle is mostly done to energetically connect the acupoint directly in front of the anus (Ren or CV - 1 (actually located in the middle of the PC muscle) to DU-1. The contraction acts as a kind of bridge, so that the energy can flow from the penis across the anus and up the spine. He calls it "The Big Draw."

You don't need to be having sex to move energy in this manner. Sexual energy is much hotter and hard to control, which is why the other practices in his system, namely the Microcosmic Orbit (MO), are so important for success. When you do the MO and also what is call Dantien breathing, you actually can activate your parasympathetic nervous sytem, or at least become extremely relaxed. I have personally confirmed the efficacy of this with a biofeedback device that measures Galvanic Skin Response. 

As for my experience of MMO using his technique: as I said, my girlfiend was not interested in improving our sex life (a large reason for our separation), so I have no experience with a partner. When I'm alone, as I approach the point of no returrn, if I completely stop stimulation and do the Big Draw 2 or 3 times, my erection visible subsides a bit. Continuing, I can get a start/stop/Big Draw rhythm that consistently produces the light-headedness and euphoria typically associated with ejaculation and orgasm, but after a bit of this, I usually end up ejaculating, stopping entirely, or using finger pressure. On a couple of  occasions, I have successfully pulled all of my sexual/ orgasmic energy up my spine and into the complete MO like he teaches. Honestly, it was almost too intense for me. I couldn't stay still with the bliss and euphoria that ensued and ended up running around the apartment with my pants around my ankles laughing until I finally collapsed in complete reverie.

Needless to say, I would love to master the technique, and am currently committed to doing so.

I don't want to live in a vacuum, though, so I'm going to research the Key sound / amygdala techniques, and will revisit the Keesling method (now that I have so much free time with no woman around). Thanks for the info/ comments about those techniques.

Not sure if ya'll are familiar with Hsi Lai's books, but "Sexual Teachings of the Jade Dragon" is worth a read. Uncovering the secrets of an ancient Taoist sex cult, there are herbal formulas and exercises for increasing both virility and penis size. I can't speak for the herbal formula that is available online, but I got some of this formula mixed up for me at a Chinese herbal clinic, and WoW. I also started doing the "9 Jade Dragon Exercises" (with some modification to a couple of them, because they were so similar to the jelqing - i just do jelqing in their place).

I am only on my fourth day and I have noticed changes already. I've been feeling things in my pants I haven't felt since I was 20 (37 now). I've never had a problem with impotence and am pretty quick to achieve a full erection, but my penis has been moving a lot more on it's own during the day, and I just feel like my testicles are "fuller" - a pleasurable and subtle warmth and pressure right around my prostrate/ PC muscles .  My penis also looks and feels younger and healthier (though I haven't measured, yet). Makes me wonder if there is some mystical truth to restoring the qualities of puberty for PE...

One more thing to add - I'm still going to look more closely into Dr. Lin's site. I'm not ready to invest in a lot of other products (I paid $10 for my herbal formula, which should last a couple of months) but it appears to me that Dr. Lin is trying to use Western Medical Physiology to explain Eastern Medicine Energetics. On the page that was linked from this site that pays "tribute to the good Dr. Lin" (funny), you could subsitute most of the medical terms with Chinese energetic concepts and it would make sense to an acupuncturist. It's a fun past-time for TCM students, finding correspondences between the two medicines, but we quickly find that it is only worthy of idle intellectual time, and that the two *usually* work best when kept separate. But that is all my first impressions of Dr. Lin. He could have an entirely different approach.

So, again, Thank You All for saving me the $25 and time/ dissapointment.

And consider Chia again. Pay careful attention to the warnings of leaving energy stuck in your head. His techniques work best as a complete system, and the benefits you gain from practicing Iron Shirt, Tai Chi, and MO in conjuction with "Taoist Healing Love" far outweigh the ephemeral pleasure  of  orgasm. And you guys that are already having MMO's will progress through his system faster and achieve greater results sooner. I simply cannot recommend enough, though, the importance of finding a qualified instructor to teach you qigong.

Thanks again,

len

 
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Just noticed that this thread is virtually the same as the first thread posted here, about the VIP muscle. I wrote a pile in that thread, figured I'd share the same in this one. Here are the primary parts of that message again:

Ritz states that you can locate the VIP muscle by sqeezing in the general area around the base of your spine. If you try to pee while doing this and it stops, you're squeezing the PC muscle as well (I did not try this). The PC is basically a circle of muscular tissue around the anus. It is not the anus, however, and also tightens around portions of the urethra. Peeing and then stopping urination is the standard way to locate it.

Anyway, when I tried to use the VIP, I basically was trying to tighten the area between the tops of my butt cheeks. My butt tightened as well, but by sitting with the cheeks spread, it was possible to isolate the muscles between them up against the spine. If you do it the way I did, this area will feel sore after a while. Since the gluteus maximus is a huge muscle that you walk with all day, I presume the soreness wasn't in it, but perhaps the "VIP," or maybe just part of the gluteus. I practiced "VIP" clenching mostly sitting in decidedly non-sexual environments while I was really bored. After enough clenches I would begin to get a partial erection and mild euphoric feelings. Trying this in a sexual setting, however, was a disappointment, since it didn't really do anything. I think it stimulates arousal to a point, but if already aroused doesn't really do anything.

I don't know what connection the "VIP" has with the PC, except that they are proximally close, and using the VIP probably results in PC contraction as well. It's quite possible that the VIP is just part of the buttocks that's rarely used. I'm no expert, but the term VIP doesn't seem to be common in medical literature.

The one thing that it, nor any other muscle exercise I've found can't seem to do is delay orgasm (though they can delay ejaculation). The VIP muscle does nothing to pull you away from your road toward the point of no return. Nor (for me) does repeated clenching and unclenching of the PC. I think delay is mostly breathing and relaxation.

I also tried the supplements he recommended, and noticed only that the schisandra made me hyper. He also mentioned Dendrobium as an erectile aid. This does seem to work, although in a subtle way. I have no erectile dysfunction, so this was purely an experiment in enhancement. I'd say dendrobium is more comparable to Cialis than Viagra. No raging unstimulated erections, just a slight enhancement in erectile response to stimulation.

As for the penis size/length enhancement considerations, I think it's rather absurd to imagine that chemicals will alter the size of your penis permanently at any time post-puberty, but I could be wrong. My current size is more than adequate, and I haven't noticed any changes (nor been looking for them) since buying his supplements. Many of them, choline, L-Argenine, NO, etc, are relevant to exercise regimens and I've been taking them for some time. Needless to say, neither myself or other gym junkies have experienced abnormal penis growth. About the only thing that supplements can do is shrink your balls or change your sex drive. Even eunichs experience no penile shrinkage.

As for MMOs and ejaculation control, I've had success with a contraction of the PC but not BC muscle, followed by a cessation of stimulus and a relaxation of the genital area. This does seem to lead to a dry orgasm, complete with contractions. Usually there is some seminal fluid or precum that leaks out, but no ejaculation. The hard part is knowing how long to hold the PC and when to relax. It's sort of a lot of effort every time (though worth it). In the beginning, I'd fail 75% of the time, then 50%, now probably 10%. The interesting thing though, is with PC tightening, even when you do ejaculate (fail to stop it), it's often only a partial ejaculation and far less forceful. It doesn't shoot out and you do not lose erection. Messy, but I can consistanly have four or five emissions of seminal fluid and/or semen that are not full ejaculations (just dribbles out, usually clear), followed by a full fledged ejaculatory orgasm. While not the sort of MMOs that the Key Sound people talk about, it does work, and it does let me last pretty much as long as I want with or without a partner.

The VIP method did not produce the same results for me.

The PC method is probably not as psychologically profound as the Key Sound method, but is a lot more guy-like. It's brute force, and its basically not that different from what you do alread, except at the moment of climax. A little work, then back to business as usual. Each successive time it becomes easier not to ejaculate, though after a while, things get very sensitive and overwhelming. I finally feel sympathy (or is it empathy?) for women who told me they couldn't handle being touched after MMOs.

I'd recommend trying both approaches: Key Sound/Amygdala Clicking (which I'm working on now), and PC muscle (which I mastered). If the VIP muscle is the PC muscle, then it works ... if not, it either doesn't work at all, or I'm doing it wrong. Fill me in if you find out. Now if only you could do key sound without all that moaning ...

Does anyone have an opinion as to whether it's more about the breathing than the sound? I'd love to just try the breathing because the sound is well, silly (I know, mental block and all, but what can I say, it's society's fault). What's a sound other than a modulation of the vocal chords during breathing? Can I learn the breath with the sound, and then just not do the sound?
 
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