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  Date Posted: 10/19/2004 8:06 PM                   
 

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Been reading about this stuff. Sounds awesome, it's a prolactin inhibitor in case anyone was wondering. Prolactin is responsible for the MRP after a male orgasm. Somebody from here sent me an email about it. Upon a little research and a link he sent me, I found this. His email name is Johnny B. Good, so kudos to him. However I am reluctant to spend $133.00 for 8 frign pills. Coupled with the fact that it is used to treat parkinsons disease, makes me a bit nervous, and furthermore, I doubt any long term trials have been done.
Anyhow very phucking interesting stimpy. Could this be the thing that we've all been looking for? So if it is found to be clinically safe, I would imagine that the guberment will ixnay it as they will fear the number of rapes will go up, or maybee I'm dreaming? What do you all think. I'm excited, are you? Should I be at this point?

DOSTINEX
THE SEX DRUG !

Dostinex (Also known as Cabergoline / Cabaser) is a relatively new drug Dostinex was primarily invented for the purpose of lowering prolactin in patients with a pituitary tumors and other prolactin related conditions. However it seems the potential of Dostinex goes far beyond the treatment of tumors. Dostinex can make sex better, much better for almost anyone, that?s the reason some refers to it as ?The pleasure drug? or the ?Miracle drug?.

How much Dostinex is needed for sex enhancement?
Usually people report that half a tab every 4 days is enough to cause the desired increase in sex drive and libido. However, some prefer a full tab every 4 days. Keep in mind that Dostinex is not approved as a sexual enhancement tool, most medical studies about Dostinex were for treating patients with hyperprolactinemia.

How long will one bottle of Dostinex last me?
One bottle of Dostinex contains 8 tabs. If you take 1 tab every 4 days, it will last you about a month. If you decide to use just half a tab each time, it will last about two months.

So how's Dostinex different from Viagra?

Dostinex is very different from Viagra. Viagra is a medication specifically for erectile dysfunction. Viagra will do absolutely nothing for other essential aspects of good sexual function such as libido (sex drive, arousal & excitement), orgasm and ejaculation.

Viagra is a great medicine and has helped many men achieve erections, but that?s just part of what?s needed. Viagra is much like the erection you sometimes get when you wake up (aka ?morning wood?). Viagra will just increase the blood flow in the penis causing an erection. It has nothing to do with libido, orgasm, ejaculation and other elements that constitute good sex. That?s the reason men complain that although they can have erections, sex is still not the same as it was when they were young. Why? Because their libido (sex drive) is much lower than it used to be when they were young.

This is where Dostinex shines over Viagra. Dostinex does everything that Viagra doesn?t do. Dostinex improves libido, orgasm and ejaculation. Dostinex is a new drug from the dopaminergic family of drugs that decreases the hormone prolactin. Prolactin is the number one libido killer! Prolactin is the hormone that is also secreted in women after giving birth. That?s the reason women have extremely low or no sex drive at all after having given birth and for as long as they are breast feeding. Men with high levels of prolactin such as those that suffer from prolactinoma have no sex drive. As we age prolactin levels may become high for many perfectly healthy men, causing low sex drive.

Prolactin is the same hormone is secreted immediately after ejaculation and makes you feel like ?you don?t feel like anymore?. Its part of the reason you just want to go sleep after ejaculation with no will for another. Dostinex will decrease this hormone and increase your libido substantially. You?ll more likely feel like want to have sex and you may experience multiple orgasms as well as overwhelming orgasms and stronger ejaculations. High levels of prolactin were also shown to cause depression and affect well-being. By lowering prolactin, Dostinex may actually improve your well-being and generally make your ?feel better?.


Now I'd take this with a grain of salt as this is from a website trying to sell the stuff. Interesting however, very interesting.

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  Date Posted: 10/19/2004 8:29 PM           
 

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Been reading about this stuff. Sounds awesome, it's a prolactin inhibitor in case anyone was wondering. Prolactin is responsible for the MRP after a male orgasm. Somebody from here sent me an email about it. Upon a little research and a link he sent me, I found this. His email name is Johnny B. Good, so kudos to him. However I am reluctant to spend $133.00 for 8 frign pills. Coupled with the fact that it is used to treat parkinsons disease, makes me a bit nervous, and furthermore, I doubt any long term trials have been done.Anyhow very phucking interesting stimpy. Could this be the thing that we've all been looking for? So if it is found to be clinically safe, I would imagine that the guberment will ixnay it as they will fear the number of rapes will go up, or maybee I'm dreaming? What do you all think. I'm excited, are you? Should I be at this point?DOSTINEXTHE SEX D
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Hi, Kevin. I'm the one who sent you the links. Go to www.pubmed.org and search for cabergoline and prolactin -- you'll get lots of studies of its effects, including one documenting a) truly multiorgasmic man with no prolactin response to orgasm (like the rest of us); and b) a follow-up study of cabergoline used on normal healthy males who had one-minute refractory periods and multiple orgasms! Most of the research being done in Europe, esp. at U. of Essen.

I have chronic back pain and low libido now from my pain pills so I am trying to get my doctor to prescribe it. There are sources here in the states you can provide to your doctor(s), if you need them. I'll be out of town for a few days but can provide later. I'm finally excited after MANY let-downs!!

 
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  Date Posted: 10/20/2004 12:19 AM           
 

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I'd tried dostinex too..

And I want to tell you guy.. It's worthless to buy that expensive stuff...

For me ostinex didn't had any Roll to make me Reach MMO except to increase my libido a bit(No dramatic effect)

You guy can try some but I already warn u "It's worthless to buy that expensive stuff "

 
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Reply to kfarrelldba :I'd tried dostinex too..And I want to tell you guy.. It's worthless to buy that expensive stuff...For meostinex didn't had anyRoll to make meReach MMO except to increasemy libido a bit(No dramatic effect)You guy can try some but I already warn u "It's worthless to buy that expensive stuff "
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Did you buy it with a prescription from a legitimate pharmacy? Or did you buy it on the black market (Internet)? If the latter, then you could have gotten expensive junk (sugar pills).

 
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I buy Cabergoline from Italy.. The Package was sealed like new.. Box and bottle completely in good shape.. (Original from Phamacia co,.Ltd)

My credit card still safe for 3 month.. I think It's ok

And I'll say again to make u sure that Cabergoline had "No effect" to make me reach MMO

It's only increase my libido a bit (Not dramatic effect)

I take 0.5mg every 3 days (Medium dose)

I didn't dare to increase dose to 1mg q 3-4day 'Cause I'm quite sure that SideEffect will come after that..

 

"Prolactin" was Number 1 Libido killer.. But I think it's Not a key to reach MMO..

N E 1 has any Idea?

 
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Oh... 1 thing that i forgot to tell ya

I'm Pharmacist


 
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Ah, you may be helpful, then. Can you recommend a physician in the United States who prescribes cabergolinie for this purpose? My MD will do it for me if he can get a phone number of an AMERICAN doctor who has used it with patients.

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Sorry I lived in Italy..      Brb.. (-__-)'

If you really interested in this product.. Please try to search and order from yahoo

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I believe you can prevent the release of prolactin after an orgasm, with or without ejaculation, when you've mastered MMO.
 
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  Date Posted: 10/25/2004 7:46 AM                   
 

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I believe you can prevent the release of prolactin after an orgasm, with or without ejaculation, when you've mastered MMO.
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Romeo, how is that possible. It is a hormone released by the brain. I'm going to try to accomplish this and overall better sexual health and MMO with visualization, once I learn how to master it.

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  I agree with Romeo. When I was a teenager, I had little or no refractory period even after a second or third ejaculation in a row. But by the time I reached my mid twenties, it was pretty bad after just one.

  I became multiorgasmic when I was 26 and even though I'm 30 now, I feel like I'm a teenager again in terms of my refractory period. I generally only feel a distinct refractory period if I ejaculate quickly without enjoying MMO's first.

  Although I still haven't found any scientific research to support it, I believe a high arousal state, and the high levels of endorphins and neurotransmitters that accompany a high state of arousal, can "overlap" or prevent the release of prolactin, which prevents or reduces the refractory period.

  I believe that two reasons most men experience a strong refractory period are:

  A. Most ejaculate within 5-7 minutes, so they don't give their brains sufficient time to release those other endorphins which heighten their arousal.

  B. Most aren't aware of ways to increase their arousal without approaching their Point of No Return.

  Just solving those two issues would probably make a world of difference for the majority of men out there.




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I agree with Romeo. When I was a teenager, I had little or no refractory period even after a second or third ejaculation in a row. But by the time I reached my mid twenties, it was pretty bad after just one.

I became multiorgasmic when I was 26 and even though I'm 30 now, I feel like I'm a teenager again in terms of my refractory period. I generally only feel a distinct refractory period if I ejaculate quickly without enjoying MMO's first.

Although I still haven't found any scientific research to support it, I believe a high arousal state, and the high levels of endorphins and neurotransmitters that accompany a high state of arousal, can "overlap" or prevent the release of prolactin, which prevents or reduces the refractory period.

I believe that two reasons most men experience a strong refractory period are:

A. Most ejaculate within 5-7 minutes, so they don't give their brains sufficient time to release those other endorphins which heighten their arousal.

B. Most aren't aware of ways to increase their arousal without approaching their Point of No Return.

Just solving those two issues would probably make a world of difference for the majority of men out there.




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I hear you man about the 5-7 minute rule. Fortunately or unfortunately that's never been the case for me. Takes me about 1 hour to orgasm. Most my friends bellyache because their girlfriends/wives don't like sex. Well if sex lasted 5-7 minutes, would you like sex? I agree also on the arousal state. I've never had a mmo, and the most I can do is 2x an hour, that's my sad sad record. I've read all these posts and I don't know which end is up as far as MMO's. I've tried the rubbing the top of the glans, I feel nothing. I just have shitty pipes I think. But here's what's been going on lately with my wife. See my other post, electricity.

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"I hear you man about the 5-7 minute rule. Fortunately or unfortunately that's never been the case for me. Takes me about 1 hour to orgasm."

  Yeah man, that's exactly what I was like before KSMO! The "fortunately or unfortunately," I hear ya, there were times with every women I've ever been with when I just couldn't ejaculate and it was almost always a problem getting them to understand it wasn't their fault, especially in high school. And forget about trying to talk about it with my male friends. HA! They'd always act like I had no reason to complain. But not being able to cum really sucked sometimes! I bet you know what I mean.

  One of the unexpected benefits I got from KSMO was not only learning MMO, but learning how to ejaculate whenever I want. The technique is based on understanding what actions lead to ejaculation and doing the opposite. So, by learning to separate orgasm and ejaculation, it made it easier for me to "find my way there" more quickly when I wanted to.

"Most my friends bellyache because their girlfriends/wives don't like sex. Well if sex lasted 5-7 minutes, would you like sex?"

  LOL. Excellent point!

"I agree also on the arousal state. I've never had a mmo, and the most I can do is 2x an hour, that's my sad sad record."

  Well, I know not everyone agrees one this, but I don't think ejaculation is the best way to orgasm anyway. I can ejaculate quite a bit in a short period of time, but I rarely do it more than once in a session, rarely more than 1-4 times a month. If you learn MMO's, you find satisfaction comes from much more than just trying to "squeeze out one more."

"I've read all these posts and I don't know which end is up as far as MMO's."

  LOL. I don't blame you. After all, I spent 8 years figuring out what worked for me. The funny thing is, in the end I realized that just having MMO's is a lot easier than researching how to have them!

"I've tried the rubbing the top of the glans, I feel nothing."

  NOTHING? I can understand if it doesn't necessarily give you MMO's, it's kinda tricky to learn after all. But are you saying you feel nothing at all, when you stimulate the head of your penis? Could it be that maybe your expectations are a little too high? Like maybe you ARE feeling something but it's not what you expect, so you call it nothing? Is that possible?

"I just have shitty pipes I think."

  If you can get and maintain erections and ejaculate normally, and you're not feeling any pain down there, chances are it's not a physical issue. But keep in mind, if you are clinically deprssed, that can have real physiological effects on your ability to feel pleasure. Or if you are just over-stressed or upset about things, etc. Don't be too quick to say your manhood is "broken," it might keep you from finding the real cause of your dissatsifaction.

  Peace    : - ) 

   




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"I just have shitty pipes I think."

 Pandragon replied: "If you can get and maintain erections and ejaculate normally, and you're not feeling any pain down there, chances are it's not a physical issue."


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If you can ejaculate twice in an hour, you don't have "shitty pipes" -- very normal (good) orgasmic responses. The problem is your (our) male plumbing.

I notice that KMSOers occassionally let slip about "timing" -- what happens if your "timing" isn't right with your "method?" My wife doesn't worry about timing or methods when she has all-holds-barred MOs.

 
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From J.B. : "I notice that KMSOers occassionally let slip about "timing" -- what happens if your "timing" isn't right with your "method?" My wife doesn't worry about timing or methods when she has all-holds-barred MOs."

  Timing is simply part of KSMO protocol. We don't "let it slip," it's an openly discussed and practiced part of learning to be multi-orgasmic with KSMO.

  However, the timing used in KSMO is not the same timing used in PC-based, ejaculation control MMO methods. In KSMO, timing refers to the best times to use the Key Sound to amplify arousal and re-channel sexual energy. The Key Sound allows you to simultanteously increase your pleasure and bypass the urge to ejaculate throughout your sexual encounter.

  If you pay careful attention to the stages of arousal in your body during sexual stimulation, you'll notice that from the moment you begin to feel pleasure, there is a tendency to take an automatically deeper inhale in response to that pleasure. This response is an automatic reaction from your autonomic nervous system, it simply happens without your thinking about it. In KSMO, we learn to recognize these automatic inhales from the very beginning as signs of building sexual tension, because with tension comes the urge to ejaculate.

    These automatic inhales are a universal experience in sexual pleasure. They display a change in our nervous system from parasympathetic (relaxed) to sympathetic (tense) as we become more excited. These specific inhales are often quite subtle at the start of stimulation, and continue to grow more pronounced as we feel more pleasure. Eventually, they reveal themselves in rapid, shallow breathing high in the chest, just prior to ejaculation (a moment of high tension).

  By acknowledging these automatic responses in the body from the very beginning of sexual pleasure, we are able to use them as cues to release that tension through the Key Sound. And there in lies the timing of KSMO. It's a matter of matching the impulses of the body to become tense in the face of increasing pleasure, with responses that result in deeper relaxation, increased arousal, and full expression of our feelings from moment to moment. Another side benefit of the Key sound is that, when done properly, it naturally encourages deep, relaxed abdominal breathing. This not only allows us to take in more pleasure-enhancing oxygen, but to remain relaxed even in high states of arousal.

  So to compare, "timing" as it's understood in PC-based, ejaculation control methods, those techniques allow sexual tension to build quickly, and then focus on suddenly trying to relax, while using specific muscles, right at the Point of No Return, which is precisely the most difficult to time to do so. Those methods, essentially ignore early signs from the body (those automatic inhales) that indicate a change from relaxation (parasympathetic response) to tension (sympathetic response), until it becomes a matter of intense effort and willpower to prevent what is already nearly inevitable (ejaculation).

  Instead, KSMO teaches us to become aware of those subtle changes right from the beginning of our sexual encounters, and use them as opportunites to enhance arousal and maintain relaxation throughout the sexual experience. This not only prevents that building pressure of inevitability, but provides even more opportunities to feel pleasure at every step along the way. This is not unlike a surfer catching waves (those inhales) and riding them (using the Key Sound) until the next one comes along. In this way, we are able to completely relax and fully experience intense moments of pleasure, without tensing up or building towards ejaculation. And by training your body to relax from the beginning, it's much easier to ride the pleasure as it continues to grow, all the way from ripples to tidal waves.

  "what happens if your "timing" isn't right with your "method?"

  Well, first of all, it's not a "method," it's a method. KSMO has been thouroughly field tested over the past decade. It's not a theory, it's a proven technique for triggering multiple orgasms.

  As for what happens if my timing isn't right in KSMO? Well, it's not a catastophic failure if that's what you mean. If my timing is off here and there, "nothing" happens. I simply wait for the next chance to enhance my arousal with my Key Sound. Timing in KSMO is not the same as timing in other MMO methods. In other techniques, timing is both critical and difficult because it's only used in referrence to your Point of No Return. If your timing is off with Taoist or Tantric techniques, you ejaculate and the party's over.

 Timing in KSMO is simply a matter of casually observing your breathing, using it to enhance your arousal, and relaxing your body in order to feel more pleasure from one moment to the next. If your timing is off in KSMO, you'll feel it and have plenty of time to adjust without any effort or negative side-effects (like accidental ejaculation).

  Actually, learning to time the Key Sound with your body's natural impulses is such a basic aspect of KSMO practice that once you get a feel for it, you're not likely to do it incorrectly anyway. Because those automatic inhales are a response to distinct increases in your arousal, you can feel when they're happening. Making a Key Sound to enhance them is easy and feels quite natural (not to mention highly pleasurable).

  Even if you "miss" an opportunity to "catch a wave," you can simply catch the next one. As long as you're feeling pleasure, your body will continue to respond with those automatic inhales. You simply get better at noticing them and make use of those opportunities to feel more pleasure, while bypassing the urge to ejaculate.

  "My wife doesn't worry about timing or methods when she has all-holds-barred MOs." 

   Gee that's funny, I don't "worry" about timing or methods when I'm having MO's either! LOL. Again, KSMO is not the same as those mechanical PC-based methods. "Timing," in KSMO is simply learning to enhance your body's automatic responses to pleasure. It's not a method for controlling your body, it's a way of complimenting your nervous system's automatic reactions to pleasure, that's why it works for both genders. Sexual stimulation becomes a dynamic exchange between excitement, arousal, and relaxation. It's quite natural and effortless once you get a feel for it.

  When you ride a bike, do you "worry" about pumping the peddles? Turning the handle bars? Using the brakes? Of course not. Once you learn how to ride a bike, there's no need to "re-learn" it. Well, when I use KSMO, I don't "worry" about what I'm doing any more than when I'm riding a bike. Heck, I don't even have to think about anything, it just flows naturally.

  My wife has always been multi-orgasmic too, but her experience of pleasure is far better than it ever was before she learned KSMO. If it really was a distraction, and she could already have MO's naturally, then why would she bother? Simple, because it feels better!     




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Damn, I think I learned more about Key Sound in that last post than I did listening to Jacks voice on the cd's 18x. Well not that many. My main problem folks is this. My mind is like a paper machine. A paper machine has many many rollers, rolling at 180 rpm, 24/7. Since I've got into PE (penis enlarement), supplimentation, mmo, amygdala clicking, visualization, meditation and trying to become a better person (no negativity, no judging, no thinking bad thoughts about people, not getting worried) and all the rest, my mind is racing with this stuff and it's tough to stay focused on one area. What do you guys think I should do? I was raised in a very violent environment. It doesn't bother me consciously anymore, it's there in my subconscious, but doesn't really bother me all the time or prevent me from doing stuff. It's just kinda there. I've made worlds of progress in the past 3 months with a positive attitude and whatnot. My sex with the wife has improved about 75%, and I have a better appreciation for life now. I'm not healed completely. Years and years of "hate the world" "f this, f that, f you" "I can't do that" "that's for smart people" "it will never work" takes a long time to heal. I've realized through the readings that it is me that is in control of my own destiny, and nobody else. But anyhow, since I'm so excited about all this stuff forementioned, I find it tough to discipline myself for one particular thing. Plus I've been working out an hour a day for the past 2 years and I don't know if I should give that up and concentrate on some of this stuff. It's tough when I get home at 6pm, work out for an hour, eat, shower, do PE for a while and then check emails and then it's 10pm. It's like I have to get a plan together and my mind is racing with excitement about all this brain and MMO stuff, that I don't know what the F to do. Somebody hit me in the head with a ball peen hammer and straighten me out, LOL. I'm so stoked about all this crap, caus I know it is attainable, based on the increase in happieness I've experienced in the past few months, just by having a (+) attitude and whatnot. I now realize I can do anything. I just need direction. So if you guys were me, where would you start, and I don't mean ridalin either. Yeah, I probably have ADD, but who doesn't, LOL. It kinda sucks as I've ordered Neils books, bought Kundalini Yoga books, and countless other materials and I still haven't done anything. So I ask you cats these questions.
1. I need to drop something to get more time, what should it be?
2. Where should I begin on this path of mine to attain my goals?
3. How much time should I dedicate to said goal per evening?

Now if I were to list my goals, they would be like this.
1. To have spontaneous erections at will
2. To have constant inner peace and happieness
3. To experience MMO's
4. To work for myself doing something I actually like, unlike my current job
5. To have money so I can have more of MY_TIME.

Thanks guys, any help is appreciated. My brain needs to slow down. It's very tough for me to get into a meditative zone if you will. I do have klonazepam (tranquilizer) for panic attacks I get often that are getting better. Do you, or don't you suggest I use them to try to slow myself down to get into a zone to meditate/relax in order to do this stuff? I would prefer not to have to rely on drugs in order to acheive my goals, but just a though.

Thanks, Kevin

These aren't listed in order of importance, just my general goals
 

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  Hey Kev,

  "Damn, I think I learned more about Key Sound in that last post than I did listening to Jacks voice on the cd's"

 LOL. Thanks man. That's quite a compliment! Of course, I have to give the credit to Jack. He's the one who discovered the technique after all. I've just had a lot of practice explaining what he teaches.

  "What do you guys think I should do?"

  I'm not sure anyone here is qualified to really tell you that. After all, we're just humble members of an MMO forum.

  ; - )

   But one thing I should probably mention, the abbreviation PE is often used in referrence to Premature Ejaculation. Just thought you might wanna know that to avoid any confusion.

  Other than that, well I guess my advice is: It's usually best to start a journey with as little baggage as possible. If you feel you have a lot of negative emotions, traumas, or issues weighing you down, it's probably best to resolve them before trying to have MMO's.

  While I think it's commendable (and sadly rare) to take responsibility for your own happiness, it's also wise to seek help if you need it. Finding a balance between the two is essential when you set out looking for new ways to grow.

  As a final thought, regarding this goal: "To have constant inner peace and happieness"

  You may find it easier to make your goals a little more down-to-earth. Like "I want to find more inner peace and happiness in my life." Being happy and peaceful constantly isn't enlightenment, it's an imbalance. If you were always happy and peaceful, no one else would be able to relate to you. That's why you always hear about those mystic guru's ending up in the mountains by themselves. They often find themselves unable to deal with "mundane mortals," like you and me. And that's fine for the guru's, but some of us have kids to feed and bills to pay!

  So you might want to consider starting with a more realistic goal, like having greater access to feelings of joy and inner peace. It's both balanced and attainable. And when you attain smaller goals, it gives you confidence to reach for bigger ones!

  Hope that helps, and best of luck!




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"By acknowledging these automatic responses in the body from the very beginning of sexual pleasure, we are able to use them as cues to release that tension through the Key Sound. And there in lies the timing of KSMO. It's a matter of matching the impulses of the body to become tense in the face of increasing pleasure, with responses that result in deeper relaxation, increased arousal, and full expression of our feelings from moment to moment. Another side benefit of the Key sound is that, when done properly, it naturally encourages deep, relaxed abdominal breathing. This not only allows us to take in more pleasure-enhancing oxygen, but to remain relaxed even in high states of arousal."
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Become tense to become relaxed and keep it in rhythm with "automatic inhales?" This is starting to sound as complicated as tantra. My orgasms are so weak that I don't notice "automatic inhales" --  low level of excitation during intercourse, then try to build to sudden "blip" orgasm. Better control, of course, with masturbation.

About mistiming, there was a long answer but, basically, you are saying you never accidentally ejaculate when at a high level of excitation? Then why all the emphasis on complete body relaxation and breath control to build pleasure and "hold back" (I know you don't like that phrase but that's what it is) ejaculation?

 

 

 

 
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If it IS a "proven" method, as you say, then it has been tested on a "proving ground" of some sort. At the very least, are their videos of people having KMSO sex? (Not scientific, but I know you all don't think there is money for crude lab equipment to measure BP, heart rate during your orgasmic waves).

 
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            "Become tense to become relaxed and keep it in rhythm with "automatic inhales?" This is starting to sound as complicated as tantra. My orgasms are so weak that I don't notice "automatic inhales" --  low level of excitation during intercourse, then try to build to sudden "blip" orgasm. Better control, of course, with masturbation."

"About mistiming, there was a long answer but, basically, you are saying you never accidentally ejaculate when at a high level of excitation? Then why all the emphasis on complete body relaxation and breath control to build pleasure and "hold back" (I know you don't like that phrase but that's what it is) ejaculation?"



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"Become tense to become relaxed and keep it in rhythm with "automatic inhales?"

No, you misunderstood. You don't "become tense to become relaxed," in KSMO. Tension is a natural response to sexual pleasure. You may not recognize it that way, but it's well documented. In both genders, typical responses to sexual excitement include tension in the major muscle groups, increased heart rate, and breathing higher in the chest (a common sign of anxiety, tension, or excitement). These reactions generally continue to increase, culminating in either orgasm and/or ejaculation.

In KSMO, unlike other techniques, one simply recognizes these signs as they occur on a subtle level and how to relax through them, allowing for more arousal, and less tension as pleasure increases.

"This is starting to sound as complicated as tantra."

KSMO is the simplest method for learning MMO I know of. Physically, it's about as complex as learning how to ride a bike. But it's not easy to explain. Learning how to do it is infinitely easier than explaining how it works. So if it sounds complicated, that's my writing style, not the technique.

So which do you think would be easier, riding a bike or explaining by email to someone who has never even seen or heard of a bike before, how to ride one?

"My orgasms are so weak that I don't notice "automatic inhales" --  low level of excitation during intercourse, then try to build to sudden "blip" orgasm."

Those automatic inhales occur long before you reach orgasm, often even before you have an erection. They happen from the very moment you begin to feel even the slightest bit of pleasure. That's the moment when your nervous system goes from a relaxed or neutral state (parasympathetic response) to aroused (sympathetic response). Not even highly aroused, just from feeling "ok" to "hey, that's feels good." Like I said, these breaths are subtle at first, because your body's response is subtle at first. If you've never payed attention to them, you might not notice them at all. But, they're there. Again, ask yourself, how is your breathing when you ejaculate? Is it deep and relaxed from your belly, or shallow and high in your chest?

For a more obvious and example of how these inhales are connected to your nervous system's responses, try this little experiment: Take a nice warm shower until you feel relaxed, this is your nervous system in a parasympathetic (resting) state. Notice your breathing in this state. Now quickly switch the water temperature to cold, and notice what happens to your body, and especially your breathing. This is your nervous system switching rapidly from a parasympathetic (relaxed) to a sympathetic (excited) response. Your reaction will almost certainly include sharp, sudden inhales high in your chest, muscle tension, and rapid heart beat, all classic signs of impending ejaculation.

Now  to compare that analogy to KSMO, you begin a sexual encounter feeling relaxed (parasympathetic response). From the moment you begin to feel even the slightest pleasure, it's as if the water temperature is ever so slowly going from warm to cold (from relaxation to tension/excitement). At first, you may not even notice this slow, subtle drop in temperature, but your body does. And it's already beginning to change breathing rhythm, muscle tension, and heart rate in response to the growing cold (pleasure).

 Normally, with other techniques, by the time you realize you feel cold (high arousal), it's too late to just "make" your body to relax and you will most likely ejaculate. But with KSMO, you learn how to observe and relax through these sublte changes from the very beginning, allowing your body to adapt along the way, until you can remain totally relaxed, even after the water has become freezing cold (orgasmic level of arousal).   

In the course of a sexual encounter, this change in your nervous system is often subtle and gradual. It's not obvious. But if you know what to look for, it's easy to recognize the signs of your body going from parasympathetic to sympathetic response as you begin to feel pleasure. By learning how to easily return to a state of relaxation each time that switch occurs on a subtle level, you can remain relaxed and eventually able to recieve intense levels of pleasure without "holding back."

"About mistiming, there was a long answer but, basically, you are saying you never accidentally ejaculate when at a high level of excitation?"

I guess, "never" is taking it a bit too far. In all honesty, I recall one "unscheduled" ejaculation with my wife in the past year. To say that it probably happens once or twice a year on average, since I learned KSMO, is more accurate. After all, everyone has their off-days. But again, it's not related to "mistiming," as the term is normally used in other MMO techniques, for all the reasons I stated above.

"Then why all the emphasis on complete body relaxation and breath control to build pleasure and "hold back" (I know you don't like that phrase but that's what it is) ejaculation?"

I think I already explained quite thouroughly the importance of relaxation with regards to arousal and bypassing the urge to ejaculate. KSMO does not teach "breath control," it teaches you to casually observe your breathing for signs of tension, and then use them as opportunities to increase arousal while maintaining a state of relaxation. In other words, you learn how to respond to your natural breathing rhythm, not control it.

As for "holding back," let me get this straight, you're still telling me how I have sex? Is that it? Gee, that's amazing!

So, even though I don't feel like I'm holding back, and I've been happily using KSMO for almost 5 years to enjoy all the orgasms I want, for as long as I want, without ever thinking I'm holding back, I'm really holding back because you say so? Wow! Thank you so much for enlightening me! Hey, since you seem to know everything, maybe you can tell me what my favorite color is too! After all, what do I know? It's only my body and my sex life we're talking about here.

 But dripping sarcasm aside, KSMO is based on the premise that "holding back," is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive to enjoying MMO's. If you practice the technique correctly, there's simply no need or reason to "hold back." That's why it works so well. You and I have gone over this several times already in this forum. Just because you say I'm holding back, doesn't make it true. Believe what you want, but if you don't intend to listen, why bother asking questions?

"If it IS a "proven" method, as you say, then it has been tested on a "proving ground" of some sort."

Yeah, it's called the KSMO forum. Feel free to visit. Who knows, you might learn something:

http://multiples.com/a/index.php/ksmopan

Not to mention, it's been endorsed by Barbara Keesling, Ph.D., an acclaimed author of her own book on MMO's, and of course there's the reviews at amazon.com, etc.

"At the very least, are their videos of people having KMSO sex?"

As a matter of fact, Jack is currently producing a live audio demonstration CD that should be out in a few months or so. I believe there will be one with a male, followed by another with a male-female couple.

And yes, he is currently collaborating with the owner of Tantra.com to produce a KSMO video. I don't have the details on that. As I understand, it will be at least a year before it hits the shelves.

"(Not scientific, but I know you all don't think there is money for crude lab equipment to measure BP, heart rate during your orgasmic waves)."

You say that as if I have some control over the situation. I don't.

I agree, heart rate is a good place to start for proving KSMO. After all, that's what they used to prove women's multi-orgasmic capacity, and more recently men's as well. I also think blood tests to measure endorphin levels would be another promising experiement.

But since we're talking science here, you must know, you need control groups, equipment, and unbiased scientific observers who have credibility in the field. Otherwise, who's going to believe the study? Are you really suggesting that all you need is the equipment and the data?

So no, it's not as simple (and certainly not as cheap) as buying a second-hand piece of equipment from a medical surplus store, doing an experiment in someone's living room, and then showing up on the door of the Kinsey Institute and saying, "See, this data proves it! Now go tell the world!" You have to convince the Kinsey Institute (or an equally reputable organization) to do the study in the first place.

And again, I'm not Jack. I don't own the company. I don't even work for him. All I know is, he wants to see the technique get proven through science as bad as anyone, if not more. If it was cheap and easy, he would have done it by now.

Besides, although I'm sure there have been studies to prove Tantra as a method for MMO, can you think of any that were published? I can't. Never seen one. But people know it works. Not for everyone, but it does work. Well, Tantra has had 5,000 years to prove itself. KSMO has had 10.

Jack's building a base of happy customers while he supports his family and works on getting a grant for those experiments. God knows I hope it happens soon, because it gets tiring trying to prove something I already know, and mostly to guys who are not only skeptical, but bitter and resentful as well. Frankly, it's like talking to a wall sometimes. I can't tell you how nice it would be to say, "just look at this recent study by The Harvard School of Medicine..." 

 




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Doctor prescribed dostinex (1.5 g/week). Normal range for men is 2.0-18.0.  Before taking dostinex, my prolactin was "normal" (7.2). After taking it, prolactin dropped to practically zero (< 1.0). Sexual results: Nothing. When I come, I must still have a surge of prolactin that causes the refractory period and my penis to go to sleep. Bummer. And we thought we found the Holy Grail. Foo. I've also taken it with Cialis. Cialis helps when you are horny and the orgasm is slightly stronger but your body builds tolerance. Again, bummer.

Just treat your woman right, positive karma, and you will come back as a woman in the modern world (not under a burka!).

 
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Reply to : J.B. [Anonymous] "Become tense to become relaxed and keep it in rhythm with "automatic inhales?" This is starting to sound as complicated as tantra. My orgasms are so weak that I don't notice "automatic inhales" -- low level of excitation during intercourse, then try to build to sudden "blip" orgasm. Better control, of course, with masturbation.""About mistiming, there was a long answer but, basically, you are saying you never accidentally ejaculate when at a high level of excitation? Then why all the emphasis on complete body relaxation and breath control to build pleasure and "hold back" (I know you don't like that phrase but that's what it is) ejaculation?"Reply to : PandragonIf it IS a "p
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I have been going through some old posts and found your KSMO explaination. Your explaination  on learning to relax even at the very beginning of feeling aroused, however so slight, as opposed to "stopping" the ejaculation once a whole lot of tension is already built, is an awesome explaination. I have tried the KSMO last year then gave up. I am now interested in giving it another shot. I think your explaination really helps me understand what to do.

 

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You're totally welcome Multiorg.

I'm glad you're going to give KSMO another chance and I hope you'll come back and describe your experiences with us.

Best of Luck!
 
 
 
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