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« on: June 22, 2017, 01:00:23 PM »

Hey everyone, so heres my story, I have been doing this for about a year now and i have read up on mantak chia books and have even read keepitup Johnson and so far i believe I have made some progress. I can last as long as i want in bed which is perfect for my sex life but the only issue is actually achieving those MMOs.

I get confused especially with what Keepitup Johnson says " work your way to two strokes before PONR " and i can basically live in this area. I can go for three hours literally just constantly  stopping two strokes before PONR . Eventually I do slip over into ejaculations but i keep wonder why i dont have a dry o. I mean what i experience may but it but all Keepitup says is " stop then have a dry orgasm" but what does that mean physically? The only thing that happens to me is my shaft tenses up then relaxes on my stomach a second or two later. Is that is? should i work on lengthening that moment? I had an accidental dry o once before and it was basicly as mantak chia suggested i get to it. When i feel it coming i tense my glutes and bring the energy up and what happened was a momentary stiffness in the shaft followed by some twitching.

Other questions i have are how the hell do i approach a dry o? Keepitup says relax then says tense your pcs to hold back exacualtions so im just really confused. When i get close to the point of no return should i keep stroking but completely relax everything and try to keep my pc and shaft from tensing up like it does when im close and see if i get there. So far i can get kinda close to orgasm without my pc tensing up and it feels good . Other times i stroke till i get that stiffness right before PONR and then let it relax. The stiffness of the shaft can last if i really try around 3 seconds and then relax back on my stomach. Am i doing this right? Should i allow this stiffness or focus on relaxing the pc the whole time , or should i focus on relaxing after the stiffness. ? Is it is that my sexual energy is a little drained and should probably hold of for a while? i also keep thinking of the kayak analogy by keepitup where im suppose to stop paddling and drift into the waterfall but maybe my sexual energy is too weak to to carry me there when i stop stroking right before PONR lol idk. Ive been using porn to get me hard because it takes a while without it.

Im a very visual learning and reading descriptions never really does it for me, i need to either see it go down( which is very unlikely to find someone who will demonstrate ) or i need a very detailed description of what goes down physical (muscle movements, sensations, intentions, etc)  before,  during, and after a dry o.

Sorry if its a lot of questions and speculations, im a Computer Science major and if you know coding, you will also know its the smallest details that can end up ruining the whole thing.

Thanks to whomever crystal clears everything up for me
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 07:13:25 PM »

There's more than one way to trigger a nonejaculatory orgasm. It is possible to come within a stroke or two of orgasm and then stop stroking and then relax into a nonejaculatory orgasm.
You say you've tried this, so here's another way . . . (My book, Love Satisfies, gives you details on this - look for the drawing of the roller coaster that looks like a penis, Chapter 9: PC Muscles . . .
Try it out and keep asking questions . . .
 trigger orgasm while sucking/squeezing in with your PC muscles.  Use sufficient  PC muscle squeeze to hold in the sperm.  
This PC muscles suck/ squeeze prevents ejaculation. Tight PC muscles also prevent all orgasms because all orgasms are cycles of tension/relaxation. If you never relax your PC muscles,  you'll never enjoy dry orgasms, so relax your PC muscles as soon as you feel that you won't be ejaculating.  Practice.
Friend, you have great control. You are enjoying great sex. Feel the greatest energy of sex : love, universal love, sharing love, feeling love, expanding your love for yourself and for others. Expand your pleasure, and expand your heart, and you'll find that your energy expands. Keep your sexuality loving instead of lusting, and you'll find dry orgasms, also known as energy orgasms, and whole body orgasms, and male multiple orgasms.
Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
Ps. Keep asking questions.  Your questions help us all. You asked about having more sperm onboard. As I have said before, be patient, have sex without ejaculating for a week or longer, then having dry orgasms will be easier for you.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 11:28:07 PM »

You make a good point about the having sperm onboard because it has been especially difficult keeping my sperm, you mentioned that the less there is the more easy it is to leak out and it always has for me. But besides this, can you explain why having more sexual energy would make dry orgasms easier. Some may think a small fire is easier to control and a big fire would just make it that much more easy to simply end up ejaculating.

I have noticed that phenomenon, when I'm close to the point of no return what happens to me when i relax is just a momentary stiffness  of the shaft then it relaxes back to my stomach, the squeezing and sucking carry me to orgasm as if i had just hooked myself to a running car, what i have trouble with is that i always end up having a retrograde ejaculation. I can hold it in and try to  orgasm again but it always keeps getting weaker and weaker. I know its retrograde because Ive noticed the sperm in my urine, how can i go about fixing this ?
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 11:47:43 PM »

But what occurs when you relax into an orgasm, for me it was just the momentary stiffness. Are you suppose to relax completely while letting your yourself go through that initial contraction and the spasms that follow ?  Was the point of relaxing to keep you from having the initial contraction and going straight to the spasms? All the while you are suppose to be relaxing and having contractions during your dry o, but what keeping the sperm from leaking out if you are not purposely holding the gates shut and are just relaxing ?
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2017, 08:00:39 AM »

Dear Vitality,
Getting back to your original post . . .  When you are extremely close to orgasm, you wrote that you stop stroking about one stroke before orgasm, and then your “penis falls back on your stomach and no dry orgasm follows” – I assume you are taking your jackhand completely off of your penis  – if so, adjust your technique -  do not let go of your penis completely. Stop stroking but continue to cradle (gently hold) your penis with your hand . . . this extra, gentle stimulation is necessary to send you over and above the threshold of orgasm, yet this extra, gentle stimulation is soft enough to keep you away  from ejaculating.
I’m on family vacation for a week . . . I will answer your other questions in a few days.
Thank you for your thoughtful questions.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 05:55:30 PM »

I do a lot of different things to get as close as i can to the edge without falling over, maybe my second base is a really small base. I sometime leave my hand on and try very settle stimulus but i feel like i always fall into ejaculation. I try to hold it in but sometimes it leaks out and sometimes it retrograde and my boner dies. Im taking some time off to regain strength before i try again.

Thanks for your feedback, enjoy your family.

 
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 09:02:24 AM »

Dear Vitality,

After reading and re-reading your posts, I can see that you’re already achieving success.
You are taking a few days off and that will help your body increase its energy.  

You asked how does more sperm on board help dry orgasms?

A man with little sperm on board focuses on visual stimulation combined with fast, physical stimulation to stay hard and orgasm. A man with less sperm on board devotes more of his attention to staying hard – using porn/lust to bring excitement to remember his member.
Orgasms (wet or dry) are cyclic spasms of tension/release. Having more sperm on board increases sexual tension. Powerful sexual tension leads to powerful sexual releases which take the form of powerful, dry, orgasmic spasms. Bigger energy inside the body bounces around creating bigger orgasms.

Your questions are about holding in sperm while orgasming.  I'd like to address each of your questions, but for a better explanation, I suggest you re-read chapters 9 of Love Satisfies. {Love Satisfies offers a better explanation - although I spend a few days carefully writing an understandable explanation to each question I respond to here, I spend a few years on each book I write, carefully crafting an easy to understand explanation. The answers to all of your questions are already in Love Satisfies, chapter 9, and the first paragraph in Chapter 19 is true!

When you re-read a book, you not only see more in the book than you did before; but you also see more in you than there was before.

 “We eat with our eyes first.” -  Master Chef.
“Pay attention to what you eat.”  - Mister Johnson.

Porn is fast food for boners. The fast food industry seems to care more about money than our health and well being. Animals are fed pharmaceuticals and hormones . . . the food looks good, but in the long run, the food makes us sick.
The porn industry seems to care more about money than men’s sexual health and well being. The sex looks good, but in the long run, porn makes us sick. The actors are paid, a disturbingly high percentage of them commit suicide, many of their relationships don't work out or last.

Why do nurses give porn to sperm donors at the hospital/medical clinic? Because if you want to ejaculate, there’s nothing better than porn.  

Men ask, “But how can I get hard without porn?”
This is where having more sperm on board comes in handy for having dry orgasms. When a man doesn’t ejaculate for a week or more, his energy increases. He can get hard with the softest touch. Now he can focus on THE amazing feelings of LOVE.

The title of your post in this forum is “What am I missing?”
I think the only thing you are missing is the use of love instead of lust to generate your sexual energy. Often overlooked, there is a spiritual component to nonejaculatory orgasms – lifting your energy up instead inside of your body instead of having it flow down and out through your penis. Part 2 of Love Satisfies explains it better.  

Last month, I was alone inside of the King’s Chamber inside of The Great (Cheops) Pyramid in Giza, near Cairo, Egypt. It’s a really cool, big room in the middle of the Great Pyramid. The room has stone walls and a stone floor, and it’s totally empty, except for a large, thick, black stone, rectangular box with no lid. I thought to myself, “This looks like the coffin where they put the Pharoh’s dead body.” So I jumped in. The instant I lied down, I had two huge, whole body orgasms. This wasn’t out of the ordinary for me. I have orgasms all the time. It just surprised me because I wasn’t thinking about sex. I was focusing on increasing my internal energy.

I don’t think the pyramids are a crazy, mystical, energy source. I think you (and all living beings) are an energy source as powerful as the sun.

Let me ask you, “What are you focusing your energy on?”

Porn triggers amazing ejaculatory orgasms, but love triggers even more amazing (dry) orgasms.  Love sends us over the top without driving the body to ejaculate. One soft look or touch from your lover might be enough to send you into a dry orgasm. Solo practitioners need only feel self-love to initiate dry orgasm. Practice feeling tingles all over your body. Do it now – with your clothes on. When you masturbate, don’t FUCK a hottie, make LOVE to yourself! Energy from being excited about life  is a power source for dry orgasms. Small fires might be easier to control, but when the source of the fire is love, the fires don’t explode. When the sexual energy sperm tank is low, porn gets us up, but that lusty _ _ _ t makes it impossible to control ejaculation!!!

There’s an online forum devoted to energy work and to retaining sperm energy also https://www.thedaobums.com/

Let your love flow. Spend time loving yourself, and watch what you eat because you are what you eat.

Over the next few months, I won’t be answering questions because I’ll be focused on finishing a few books that are really short = to show the difference between lust and love to help men get this. You’re close to success, and I think you’re going to get this! I honestly feel that the only thing you are missing is the extra boost that comes from raising your energy up. It makes dry orgasms a lot easier. You might call it the spiritual side of male multiple orgasms. You don't have to believe a certain way. You don't have to use the same tools as me or anyone else. Just be aware of the vast energy source for triggering dry orgasms that exists inside of you.LOVE. Connect with yourself and love yourself.

All my love, Keepitup Johnson

Ps. When I have multiple orgasms without love, I don’t have satisfaction. If I don’t have love, I don’t have anything worthwhile.

Love Satisfies. I respect you for asking questions. Thanks for asking. There are lots of good men here in this online forum posting good questions and answers. Peace, light, and love.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 10:56:27 AM »

With more sperm = more energy in your genitals. Now, you can work on moving energy out of your penis (up your spine) when you're about to orgasm vs.
having to work on moving energy into your penis to orgasm.

It's been two weeks. How's it going?

Peace and love, Keepitup Johnson
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 02:22:56 AM »

I have been struggling still lol , i am trying to turn lust into love but i still end up ejaculating. Which bring me to the question, how do you ejaculate with love.  Maybe the problem with most guys and the reason they may take years to achieve this is that they do not orgasm with love. I mean i look up porn and my dick gets rock hard , but when i think about love and being in love and feeling love my dick is soft with no hope of getting up. I try jerking of to love but like that crazy confusing cause love just doesn't turn me on cause its love its no like the average guy gets of his laptop full of loving pictures and says  " damn i loved so hard" I try it with my girlfriend who i care more about than anything and it just doesn't happen that way.

Can you also shed some light on why, from the research ive made on the subject, why is it that people that do yoga have greater success in this then most, i mean i saw a video about this one guy who supposedly took ten years to get to male multiple orgasms(FYI i would hate to be that guy) and there was another guy who only took 3 months to achieve success in this. 

My theory is that if you have been jerking of to porn since you hit puberty then your brain is completely wired for lust and switching it to love by the time your 30 is just crazy because love may even feel completely contradictory.

I keep seeing from my research as well that this is like teaching you how to hold down a sneeze or keeping your eyes from blinking when you get hit in the face, an overriding of a reflex programmed in your brain. This is something that i feel like you can build on so is edging the way to do it? Should i try my hardest to keep my muscles down here from clenching up and causing to much pressure.

If there like a daily routine with check list of goals  that you recommend cause i feel like im just fishing in the dark sometime. Its kinda hard to really tell if im making progress, would just practicing edging eventually get me to my goal?

I also have another theory that may help me get a perspective on this but i could use some verification. So here its is, lust is lava and love is fire. Lava is hot and by the laws of physics,  will never flow up. Fire is light so it  will rise and spread. It may be a good analogy but how to turn lava to fire is such a mystery. My billion dollar question is how do you make your body flammable???   
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 06:16:45 PM »

Beautiful questions,  and beautiful, and correct lava/ fire analogy! I'm going to get around to answering your questions really soon. I have one question for you. I'm curious, have you read part 2 of Love Satisfies?
Peace and love, Keepitup
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 02:33:40 PM »

Re: your original post: Keepitup Johnson says " work your way to two strokes before PONR ". In my book, Love Satisfies, I actually say to come between 1-4 strokes from orgasm, then stop and waitt for the orgasm to come to you.

You are doing well to be able to stay in that zone for hours at a time. You're close to dry orgasms. Keep at it, and try coming even one stroke closer to orgasm before pausing the stimulation. There are a lot of helpful tips and techniques in Chapter 24.

Re: your recent posts, yes, you are on to something huge. The mental and emotional side of sex. This is where the greatest joys of sex are found, love and intimacy. Feelings. I mention this in Part 2 of Love Satisfies.  Connecting your own version of God turns you on and energizes you. This energy causes expansion and dry orgasms.Not a waste of time!
Feeling groovy? Feeling down?
Inside the brain and spine are instruments of higher perception. From studies in Neuroplasticity – the science of the mind – the regular practice of anything sets up grooves in the brain. Patterns which the mind-body follow.
You mentioned yoga . . . Yoga, isn’t just for flat abs and a toned booteus maximus.
Yoga prepares the body and mind to feel more energy. I’ve been doing yoga for 40 years, ever since I was 16. Yoga increases your own consciousness awareness of your mind and body. Yoga goes beyond the physical. Yoga, like all other spiritual practices, can light you up and set you on fire. Let the Great Spirit flow through you.
My friend Dennis practices yoga for four hours every day. I asked him once, “Are you ever gonna’ to quit doing yoga?”
“I don’t do yoga, Yoga does me. Man, at this point, I couldn’t quit if I wanted to.”
Higher consciousness - higher, better, gentler – love. Orgasms aren’t coming from outside of you. Your own consciousness gives rise to orgasms.
Let the Great Spirit flow through you. Get off on love. Universal energy comes into your brain and into your spine causing energy orgasms. An overload of sensations coming from inside of you is the cause of orgasms.
Yoga is a way to feel and connect and unite with this “bigger than me” energy. Keep it loving for satisfaction. Only love is important. Love connects us all. Love is at the center of the universe. In Part 2 of Love Satisfies,  I mention more about having dry orgasms as a result of love energy. Using porn almost dooms you to ejaculate. Porn tneds to concentrate all of our energy in one place - the penis. When you move energy out of your penis before you orgasm, then dry orgasms become much easier. Part 2 tells you how! Sorry for plugging my book, but I don't know what else to tell you - I've already written it clearly in the book.If I can do it, we can all do it. Change your operating system from Porn .01 to lLove 3.0. I honor you. You are wonderful and helping others!
Peace and love,
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